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09-20-2014, 09:50 PM | #1 |
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Is it me or does anyone else have zero interest in the I8
First, just to set the stage, I hate hybrid cars. My opinion, shared by about half the population, is that global warming emissions etc is pure BS promoted by anti business greenies and euro socialists. That said, making the batteries is a proven environmental disaster so why cause certain damage to prevent dubious at best potential damage. That said, don't argue me on this or it'll just devolve into a political foray and get off topic. I'm just stating this so you understand the rest.
The point of my text is the result of deciding to go with this hybrid plug in is the cars slow, has limited range, and therefore in own able or desirable. With even a base corvette or an M4 being able to kick its a$$, and not being range limited without needing to be plugged in, this looks like something only a Hollywood look at me I'm saving the trees greenie would love. Park it next to his useless Prius and tesla. Sorry, but if they had also offered it with the M5 drivetrain I might care. Now to go burn my garbage, eat non-organic food, and smoke a Marlboro while I clean my AR-15.
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09-20-2014, 11:20 PM | #3 |
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Like you said, without bringing in the political side, but argument for argument sakes:
The i8 is not slow, finishing the quarter mile at the same pace of the M4 but doing a faster 0-60. Petrol has limited range as well - how often do you stop by the gas station? Once electrical recharge station is widely implemented, limited range will no longer be a problem. Additionally, electric/hybrid one-ups petrol in that you can charge it overnight in your own garage, something you can't do with a combustion engine. So if anything, for a DD car the electric car will never have to visit a recharge station while a combustion engine will still have to go to get gas, thereby saving you time. That, and I think the i8 looks pretty sweet. Better than the M4, I might add. The Stingray is quite a looker too, though! |
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09-21-2014, 05:23 AM | #4 |
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Zero interest from me too, but then I'm an old git, so I'll probably only need to think about electric cars in retirement when a small cheap to run city leccy car will be all I can afford to run here in the UK....assuming the infrastructure to recharge them actaully happens (which I have doubts about)
I actually saw my first i8 on the road here in London last week - and no passers by were talking any notice of it (compared to most other passing 'supercars' in central London)
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09-21-2014, 06:22 AM | #5 |
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Oh boy, since you and I are exactly on the same page about global warming/climate change (don't worry they'll come up with a new name for it soon) I'm right there with you on the i8. What a pointless engineering exercise. I made the point on the i8 Forum a few months ago that you could buy a new Corvette Z51 and have a car that handles better and is faster for $80,000 less. $80K buys about 430,000 miles of fuel for the corvette at $3.60 gallon and 20 MPG. Oh, and both cars have a useable back seat too.
But the automotive press always likes the cool new, shiny toys, so it'll get rave reviews. What a joke, "Hey let's buy a i8 for $150,000 just so we can get 35 MPG!" LOL. Good topic. |
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09-21-2014, 06:31 AM | #6 | |
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You honestly think recharging a petrol-car at a gas station for 5 minutes every 450 miles or so (that's like 8 - 9 hours of driving) is less convenient than recharging an electric car? I keep 15 gallons of fuel at my house for my lawn mower, generator, etc. I can recharge my petrol car over night too. I drive 160 miles a day. I stop and refuel every two days so I spend at most 12 minutes refueling my E90. I can live with that. Most people stop at the gas station every 5 days. |
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09-21-2014, 06:32 AM | #7 |
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Fundguy, that's a good rant you got going on.
Hybrid cars are showing some good #'s, even the Chuvit Volt which gets around 70 mpg when electric cost comes is added. It's perfect for that suburban 9-5 white collar guy that doesn't like to drive, but nobody knows the battery environmental impact , yet. All the greens are in a hurry to make a miracle energy solution so 10 billion people can hold hands in utopia. Imagine a world where everything is electric, and someone "invents" a liquid that you just pour in and go; it's energy dense and abundant. I'm retired and live in a apartment so I can travel, so my X1 sits a lot, and I can't even plug in battery tender. I've never seen such a battery hog car as my X1, but I drive with a scanguage and watch voltage religiously so I don't run it down and get a $700 new battery as my fault. I just disconnect neg cable for 3 months, and lock car with valet key. |
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09-21-2014, 06:55 AM | #9 |
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Folks who don't believe in global warming compare decades old petrol technology to
first year concept car battery technology. I wonder who will win. *eye roll* |
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09-21-2014, 07:17 AM | #10 |
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I love it. If I had that much money to spend at BMW, I'd choose the i8 over an M6/M5 in a heartbeat. If someone would come out with a coilover kit and better wheel/tire options for the i3 I'd go for that one too. The car I have zero interest in right now is the M3.
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09-21-2014, 08:16 AM | #11 |
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We will see if charge stations become widespread or not. I have yet to see one and I drive 50, 000 miles a year. As for being new tech, electric cars came before gas and we're dropped as less effective. Newer doesn't necessarily mean better. Right now gas is double the price it was when the current administration took office even though there is a hugh glut of excess gas. This is because they are on purpose keeping the price high to push people in ty o electric card, hybrids, etc. Let's see how many are sold when the next administration takes over and gas drops to $1.35 a gallon.
As for fast, 4.5 seconds 0-60 is not fast. Quick maybe, but for a car marketed to be a sports car it's dog slow. Even a mustang is faster than that. |
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09-21-2014, 08:49 AM | #12 |
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I think the i8 is amazing :| if I had the money for one I'd take it
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09-21-2014, 10:00 AM | #14 |
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Well the I8 is not a mainstream vehicle. It's a niche market and that's reflected in the price and the marketing strategy.
However, being an engineer, I can tell you that i8 is a technology "pusher" and that the technology and processes being developed will be used downstream, i.e. carbon fiber designs and mass production, electrical system features, driving modes (s/w), remote system management, lighting, heating, cooling etc. None of those are perfect and ready for market but you have to start somewhere. Way back when we did not have gas stations either. It is a work in progress and BMW is trying to get at least a portion of R&D funding back. And no, it does not compete with Tesla at this pint in time but it may soon. That's all it is from my point of view. |
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09-21-2014, 02:07 PM | #15 |
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I just don't see the need for all the infrastructure buildup and cost etc when we have plenty of gas to last for hundreds of years. Maybe next century. But I do like the tech part.
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09-21-2014, 02:32 PM | #16 |
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I think its more to do with making cars that use less and less fuel. We WILL run out of oil, and a proven fact. Rather we run out in 20 years or 1000 years is a different topic. So its not just about global warning.
Yes electricity is also made sometimes from the use of oil. I think what we are seeing is automotive makers just trying new things, and seeing if something sticks. With all that said, i understand why they are doing it. I have no interest in the car. I prefer gas engines, and i hope i can keep driving them for years to come. |
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09-21-2014, 03:30 PM | #17 | |
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and global warming is science. if you aren't convinced, you need to show evidence to the contrary. it isn't sufficient just to say you don't believe it and it's all made up by "greenies". BTW the i8 is actually an amazing piece of technology and engineering. even if you don't believe in global warming, oil supplies are still limited. sooner or later we need to find alternative energy sources. That's where cars like the i8 come in. they serve as testing platforms for new technology. |
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09-21-2014, 04:19 PM | #18 |
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The evidence is there for both. He shut down 32% of the world's oil reserves which are on federal land, he got all the us oil drilling out of the Gulf leaving only Russian and Cuban rigs taking it, and his energy secretary announced public ally when he took office 6 yrs ago he wanted gas to go to $4 a gallon to get people to use electric and hybrid cars. Or did they not report any of this on msnbc?
As for global warming the data doesn't hold. They said in AL Gores movie florida and NYC would be under water by now. They said Temps would be up. Temps are up globally 0.2 degrees Fahrenheit since we've been recording them, over 115 years. This is in line with the warming trend since the last ice age and is not abnormal. Also the quote that 92% or whatever of the climatologists agree that global warming is real is based on them using bad data. This data was admitted to be tainted by the European source they all were using for their calculations. They neglect to say this when the say all these guys are in agreement. They also neglect to say that now 95% say their calculations were wrong as a result. The flip side is making the lithium batteries creates environmental pollution far greater than the pollution from using gas for the life of the vehicle. Also while the ice caps are melting in the artic, in the static they are reporting record ice growth which far exceeds the ice loss at the north pole. So yes, Obama has publically stated he wanted $4 a gallon. Not conspiracy, policy. And global warming is a sham. |
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09-21-2014, 04:21 PM | #19 |
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As for oil supplies we have over 200 years of oil at current consumption and increased rate of consumption before we start having problems. By then I'm sure a lot of these technologies like solar, wind, nuke, etc will mature enough to be viable and replace meaningful amounts of our energy needs.
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09-21-2014, 04:24 PM | #20 |
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In before this becomes a "merits of the electric car" or global warming discussion thread.
On topic: I couldn't care less about the i8. They should have made the ///M8 like they said they would rather than get distracted by this, imo, waste of time. All that development and it's just well, meh. Who cares about 0-60 times when the car isn't fast? They should have done an electrically assisted biturbo I-6. THAT would have been interesting. Hell, use the massively respectable turbo diesel they already have if you want something more efficient and with tons of torque. Instead we get an ugly triple boosted by batteries to normal petrol car levels, wrapped up in an overdesigned body.
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09-21-2014, 04:25 PM | #21 |
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I'm a finance guy and I deal with this extensively. But let's not get off track. The post is about the I8. I like the tech it has but wish they used a second power plant so it actually had some balls and was viable for people to use for long distances. Then it would be interesting.
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