Any BMW drivers paying 8 bucks for a gallon of premium? My local Shell and Mobil just reached 7.63 today

[koykorom]

Originally Posted by smokinjoe64

Not accurate...actually >91 octane gas, although limited and pricey, is available in CA.
A few examples:

Northern California / Bay Area:

• Sunol Super Stop (Sunol): Carrying 94, 96, 101 octane.
• 76 Station (Saratoga): 100 octane.
• Redwood City 76/Mobil: 100 octane.

Southern California / San Diego:

• VP Racing Fuels (Pacific Beach): 100+ octane.
• SoCo (El Cajon): Race fuel;110 octane.
• Rancho Santa Fe: Select stations carry 100 octane.

Yes, surely it’s available in limited quantities but not as readily available as on the east coast where practically every gas station carries it.

[smokinjoe64]

Originally Posted by koykorom

And 93 octane is not even offered in California or the West Coast…

Originally Posted by smokinjoe64

Not accurate...actually >91 octane gas, although limited and pricey, is available in CA.
A few examples:

Northern California / Bay Area:

• Sunol Super Stop (Sunol): Carrying 94, 96, 101 octane.
• 76 Station (Saratoga): 100 octane.
• Redwood City 76/Mobil: 100 octane.

Southern California / San Diego:

• VP Racing Fuels (Pacific Beach): 100+ octane.
• SoCo (El Cajon): Race fuel;110 octane.
• Rancho Santa Fe: Select stations carry 100 octane.

Originally Posted by koykorom

Yes, surely it’s available in limited quantities but not as readily available as on the east coast where practically every gas station carries it.

Simply stated...your original assertion is 100% wrong; accept it, own it.
No need to 'comeback' with and espouse yet another disingenuous statement attempting to save face...nuff said.
--> learn, move on

[Toad]

Right now it's $9.50 per gallon of 93 octane here, and that's just a 10% increase since before the [REDACTED] started and the closure of the [REDACTED] happened.

Originally Posted by JABCAT

While not CA expensive, it has increased over $1/gal in the last couple weeks here in TX. I hope everyone realizes it's all a big scam. The oil companies rake in record profits with their puppets in gov. while we pay for it.

Supply and demand is a scam?

You need crude to make gasoline, and when crude prices zoom, then gasoline prices will follow. I'm afraid the prices will continue to soar for a while, until we can see some kind of solution to the underlying problem.

Brent crude:



Gasoline:

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by smokinjoe64

OMG...current self induced gas price increases have zero to do with CA!

Root causes are clear, yet conspicuous absent from this type of foolhardy commentary.
Your 'price issues' have zero to do with CA and directly stem from economics and policies of those you likely voted for:

• Unilateral nonsense; typically by executive orders
• Tariff taxes
• War taxes

Far too often, folks from 'fly over, drive thru' states luv to bash CA whenever possible...fine, a peragatilve I suppose. And those that follow suit residing in CA that complain, always welcome to leave and head to the 'flatlands' or wherever else that suits ya.

California contributes the most to the federal tax base overall—by a wide margin.
Top contributors (total federal taxes paid)
CY24 these states send the most total dollars to the federal government each year:

1. California – largest economy and population +$275.6B or 1 out of every 6 federal tax dollars
2. New York +$76.5B
3. Texas +$68.1B

California alone contributes hundreds of billions annually in federal income, payroll, and corporate taxes.

Note the vast contribution difference from #1 CA which is same as the bottom ~25–30 states combined.

> Largest Net Funder = California

Bottom States by contribution
Lowest contributors (share of total):

1. Vermont — 0.12%
2. Alaska — 0.14%
3. Wyoming — 0.15%
4. West Virginia — 0.17%
5. North Dakota — 0.19%
6. Montana — 0.21%
7. Hawaii — 0.22%
8. Maine — 0.24%
9. New Mexico — 0.25%
10. South Dakota — 0.25%
11. Mississippi — 0.30%
12. New Hampshire — 0.33%
13. Idaho — 0.35%
14. Rhode Island — 0.37%
15. Delaware — 0.40%
16. Kansas — 0.61%
17. Iowa — 0.70%
18. Alabama — 0.74%
19. Nevada — 0.75%
20. Utah — 0.75%

For loud folks residing in "bottom states" et all 47 other, more advisable to 'stay quiet'; be very very grateful 'takers'; jus enjoy economic welfare and subsidies provided by CA
...so shhhhh jus tend to crops, chickens whatever else.

Sounds like a good case for California to secede from the Union.

[Phillies8008]

Originally Posted by smokinjoe64

Regarding Elon, concur 100%
IMO, rather pay $8/gal than sitting around a parking lot at some 'fancy electrical outlet' +hour, waiting to charge then go.

I don't really care if you get an EV or not, but this just isn't accurate. Recharging my i4 at a level 3 charger is a 25ish minute affair, not an hour. You don't have to like EVs, but let's not just make up stuff either.

Everyone's different of course, but I find my need to charge pretty much aligns with my need to hit the bathroom so at the end of the day charging doesn't add all that much to my travel time. That being said, if I did travel long distances on a regular basis I'm not sure I'd want an EV. But I don't, so it's pretty much perfect for my usage. YMMV.

[smokinjoe64]

Originally Posted by Phillies8008

I don't really care if you get an EV or not, but this just isn't accurate. Recharging my i4 at a level 3 charger is a 25ish minute affair, not an hour. You don't have to like EVs, but let's not just make up stuff either.

Everyone's different of course, but I find my need to charge pretty much aligns with my need to hit the bathroom so at the end of the day charging doesn't add all that much to my travel time. That being said, if I did travel long distances on a regular basis I'm not sure I'd want an EV. But I don't, so it's pretty much perfect for my usage. YMMV.

Not doubting your BMW experience...

May not be indicative overall...my experience quite different with a Cyber truck [moderate use professionally, don't own it].

Certainly concur w/ YMMV, here's why...
Even with overnight charging, with only a days worth of city runs, small commutes, errands etc...in many instances, requires stopping - - sitting around in 'recharge purgatory' as illustrated below.

At least with Cyber truck, takes approx 1 hour on 'standard' charger to yield only ~30min bump.
Sure fast chargers perform better; however, not always accessible, available [ie lot full].

The bladder capacity/frequency analogy is hilarious and conjures images for a business opportunity
==> Paid EV "Charge Station ePotty's" with frequent 'tinkler rewards'

Like it or not...here's what an actual 'unproductive, utter waste of time' looks like...

[smokinjoe64]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Sounds like a good case for California to secede from the Union.

...yeah sure, whatever

[Phillies8008]

Originally Posted by smokinjoe64

Not doubting your BMW experience...

May not be indicative overall...my experience quite different with a Cyber truck [moderate use professionally, don't own it].

Certainly concur w/ YMMV, here's why...
Even with overnight charging, with only a days worth of city runs, small commutes, errands etc...in many instances, requires stopping - - sitting around in 'recharge purgatory' as illustrated below.

At least with Cyber truck, takes approx 1 hour on 'standard' charger to yield only ~30min bump.
Sure fast chargers perform better; however, not always accessible, available [ie lot full].

The bladder capacity/frequency analogy is hilarious and conjures images for a business opportunity
==> Paid EV "Charge Station ePotty's" with frequent 'tinkler rewards'

Like it or not...here's what an actual 'unproductive, utter waste of time' looks like...

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Yeah, my only experience is with EV sedans, not trucks that have larger batteries. That'd certainly change the equation. I also think geography plays a big part of it – I'd think that SoCal must have the largest adoption-rate of EVs in the country, so I'm sure the charging infrastructure is in much greater demand. I'm in the SE US where adoption is not nearly so widespread so I pretty much never wait for a charger, especially now that I can use Tesla's network. I apologize: I shouldn't have been so dismissive out of hand and should've considered geography, at the least.

As I said before, if I had to travel and rely on level 3 charging on a regular basis I'm pretty sure I'd be in an ICE vehicle as my daily driver. As much as I love them, IMO EVs just aren't there yet for that use case.

[jaffles]

I'm hoping this little foray into oil supply is the turning point to start rolling out proper infrastructure for an E future. Think its worth remembering the gas network was not just all there over night.

To date charging has largely been approached like a gas station, fill and go and way to much focus on range an ultimately time. Were as shopping centers, sports grounds, cafe's or anywhere where 30 minutes + is spent should have a charge port. Energy is traded by the shop owner, car owner, grid and demand.

Auto industry or direction from governance should unite and use plates rather that chords. Just pull up and charge or discharge for a nominal rate. We don't need the place looking like an old drive in with posts everywhere for people to drive off connected, or you have to go to X just to charge. How 1950s.

Or if a central spot is required like a gas station, make it a unified swap and go exchange for a unified battery design. So muck more practical for failing batteries to repair, speed of charge, warranty of vehicle, and life/value of vehicle second hand; rather than a manufacturer building a car around a battery that renders the car a write off if the battery drops a cell. Or later on perceived worthless as the battery out of warranty dwarfs the new car price. Perhaps swap and go batteries could still range from standard to performance in regards to tech and requirements, bit like 91, 95, 98 fuel that all goes in the same fill hole. Maybe various sizes to address range or budget.

Got to get past oil though

[Phillies8008]

If nothing else I'd love to end our dependence on oil so that we can stop caring about the Middle East. We're not going to solve a problem that's literally more than a thousand years old that the residents of the area seemingly have no desire to solve, and I'm tired of us trying.

[Maxx Power]

According to Global Petrol Prices

[jaffles]

Originally Posted by Phillies8008

If nothing else I'd love to end our dependence on oil so that we can stop caring about the Middle East. We're not going to solve a problem that's literally more than a thousand years old that the residents of the area seemingly have no desire to solve, and I'm tired of us trying.

Indeed, but first the west needs to get over its addiction to oil. Oil is like trying to get a good drug deal from your deranged dealer. Their logic is so scrambled you never win, but who's there for the drugs in the first place looking to score.

[BavarianPretzel]

Update: Friday, 3/20

Same Shell station now sells premium gas at $7.83 (20-cent increase) But at least it’s not $8 yet. 😄

[smokinjoe64]

Originally Posted by BavarianPretzel

Update: Friday, 3/20
Same Shell station now sells premium gas at $7.83 (20-cent increase) But at least it’s not $8 yet. 😄

To-date prices nearby in Orange Co CA.
Still 'not to shabby' given predicament we all now suffer.

Definitely gotta poke around for 'most favorable' prices...coupla examples.

[anthemavm]

Time to get out of LA and get down to the OC for some cheaper gas.

[smokinjoe64]

Originally Posted by anthemavm

Time to get out of LA and get down to the OC for some cheaper gas.

Yup!!!..an OC run, of course off-peak hours, is a good bet to consider.
...prices will only get worse

[JABCAT]

I paid $4.24 yesterday, up from $3.89 a few days ago. I need to drive back to Austin tomorrow which means I will need to fill up again by Wednesday.

[W2k]

Originally Posted by jaffles

To date charging has largely been approached like a gas station, fill and go and way to much focus on range an ultimately time. Were as shopping centers, sports grounds, cafe's or anywhere where 30 minutes + is spent should have a charge port. Energy is traded by the shop owner, car owner, grid and demand.

Yep, this is key. People coming from ICE cars to EVs have this strange expectation that you have to passively wait for the battery to charge. And if you treat EV chargers like gas stations, that's what happens, and charging is just a waste of your time. But this is not how it works in places that actually have proper charging infrastructure.

Either your EV charges at home, overnight, and then it's always charged when you need it. You rarely, if ever, need to charge enroute. Zero time wasted.

Or you can't charge at home for some reason (like me, I live in an apartment). Then you charge during your weekly grocery run, because the supermarket has a bunch of superchargers in the parking lot.

Even if I'm not buying a whole lot the car's done charging long before I've made my way through Costco. Zero time wasted.

This is not to say that EVs have no downsides. I like that BMW gives customers a choice.

[kudos]

Originally Posted by W2k

Yep, this is key. People coming from ICE cars to EVs have this strange expectation that you have to passively wait for the battery to charge. And if you treat EV chargers like gas stations, that's what happens, and charging is just a waste of your time. But this is not how it works in places that actually have proper charging infrastructure.

Either your EV charges at home, overnight, and then it's always charged when you need it. You rarely, if ever, need to charge enroute. Zero time wasted.

Or you can't charge at home for some reason (like me, I live in an apartment). Then you charge during your weekly grocery run, because the supermarket has a bunch of superchargers in the parking lot.

Even if I'm not buying a whole lot the car's done charging long before I've made my way through Costco. Zero time wasted.

This is not to say that EVs have no downsides. I like that BMW gives customers a choice.

Says the guy whose country is the size of a small state.

[W2k]

Originally Posted by kudos

Says the guy whose country is the size of a small state.

Yep, and we're pretty poor too, by US standards. Yet we have been able to make it work perfectly well, so clearly you can, too.

[kudos]

Originally Posted by W2k

Yep, and we're pretty poor too, by US standards. Yet we have been able to make it work perfectly well, so clearly you can, too.

Go do a road trip across Europe in the winter in a EV and maybe you'll have some idea why people complain about these god awful cars.

[W2k]

Originally Posted by kudos

Go do a road trip across Europe in the winter in a EV and maybe you'll have some idea why people complain about these god awful cars.

Already have done, it went great. Obviously the range was reduced somewhat but that's easily solved by planning ahead; lots of people drive their EVs long distances in winter. But instead of arguing about something you clearly have already made up your mind on, why not just stick to ICE cars if that's your preference?