Still want an EV? (NO POLITICS)

[Socal_R8]

Originally Posted by chad86tsi

OK, so I'll put you down in the "Don't care about the climate" category.



So most people also charge with carbon generation too?



So it's to save money then? Why not buy a Corolla or a Prius?

it's all good, i already put you down in the "idiot" catgory

[RM7]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

The BMW iX5 Hydrogen proves that batteries aren’t the only answer

Because it uses electric motors, the iX5 Hydrogen drives just like any other EV, but with a couple of major improvements. The range does not decrease in cold weather, as it does with battery electric vehicles (BEV), and it is not hampered when towing a trailer either.

As for weight, BMW says hydrogen cars are lighter than an equivalent battery-powered car – due to the lack of a huge battery that can often weigh more than 500 kg – and are roughly the same as a similarly-sized plug-in hybrid.

https://www.t3.com/features/the-bmw-...he-only-answer

The future is not written in stone.

So you can actually store hydrogen in this one, unlike the hydrogen powered 7-series?

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

That could just take a little too fast over a high raised speed hump and the car is scrap.

Tesla bursts into flames on Pennsylvania highway
A Tesla was burnt beyond recognition Tuesday after a large piece of debris became lodged underneath the car on a Pennsylvania highway.

https://nypost.com/2022/11/18/tesla-...vania-highway/

I read another report that is was likely an ice ball off a tractor trailer.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by RM7

So you can actually store hydrogen in this one, unlike the hydrogen powered 7-series?

I'm assuming so "The range is a claimed 310 miles"

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by RM7

So you can actually store hydrogen in this one, unlike the hydrogen powered 7-series?

Better article:
The gaseous hydrogen required to supply the fuel cell is stored in two 700-bar tanks made from carbon-fibre-reinforced plastic (CFRP). Together, they hold six kilograms of hydrogen, giving the BMW iX5 Hydrogen a range of 504 km in the WLTP cycle. Refuelling the hydrogen tanks takes only three to four minutes, meaning that the BMW iX5 Hydrogen delivers the driving pleasure you expect from BMW with just a few, short interim stops, even on long routes.

https://www.bmwgroup.com/en/news/gen...5Hydrogen.html

[chad86tsi]

Originally Posted by SoCal_NSX

it's all good, i already put you down in the "idiot" catgory

If that's what you think, go for it. Your opinions of me have no bearing on the greater debate at hand.

You epitomize the notion that this green EV push is about money and virtue signaling, not saving the planet.

This is the reason so many in "the middle" are skeptical about all these great green programs. You don't have solar for being green, you have it so you can save money on power and sell any surplus power at on-peak rates. You charge your car at night using fossil generation as you "buy back" that green surplus because it's cheaper. Problem is : what you buy back is not green. You are still part of the problem while touting your green status. Even if you sold more power than you used - including the fossil power that you buy back at night to charge your EV, you are still part of the problem- you are consuming fossil energy. And society is being forced to subsidize your model. This is one of the reasons why people are getting frustrated with subsidizing these technologies.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Better article:
The gaseous hydrogen required to supply the fuel cell is stored in two 700-bar tanks made from carbon-fibre-reinforced plastic (CFRP). Together, they hold six kilograms of hydrogen, giving the BMW iX5 Hydrogen a range of 504 km in the WLTP cycle. Refuelling the hydrogen tanks takes only three to four minutes, meaning that the BMW iX5 Hydrogen delivers the driving pleasure you expect from BMW with just a few, short interim stops, even on long routes.

https://www.bmwgroup.com/en/news/gen...5Hydrogen.html

Wiki...

"As of April 2023, there are 60 publicly accessible hydrogen refueling stations in the US, 59 of which are located in California, with one (1) in Hawaii."



Not flaming, just goofing around

[David70]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

The BMW iX5 Hydrogen proves that batteries aren’t the only answer

Because it uses electric motors, the iX5 Hydrogen drives just like any other EV, but with a couple of major improvements. The range does not decrease in cold weather, as it does with battery electric vehicles (BEV), and it is not hampered when towing a trailer either.

As for weight, BMW says hydrogen cars are lighter than an equivalent battery-powered car – due to the lack of a huge battery that can often weigh more than 500 kg – and are roughly the same as a similarly-sized plug-in hybrid.

https://www.t3.com/features/the-bmw-...he-only-answer

The future is not written in stone.

Good luck creating the infrastructure of fueling stations. Toyota Mirai started sales in the U.S. in I think 2015. Pretty difficult to leave metro LA 8 years later.

[David70]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Tesla bursts into flames on Pennsylvania highway
A Tesla was burnt beyond recognition Tuesday after a large piece of debris became lodged underneath the car on a Pennsylvania highway.

https://nypost.com/2022/11/18/tesla-...vania-highway/

I read another report that is was likely an ice ball off a tractor trailer.

Last month a tank trailer hauling roughly 9000 gallons of gasoline shutdown I95 after it burned, killing the driver and causing an overpass to collapse.

https://www.wsaz.com/2023/06/11/tank...rities%20said.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Not flaming, just goofing around

You left out the Hindenburg disaster references?

[Car-Addicted]

The free market (if allowed) will determine the winner.

Fun fact:DOE Announces $20 Million to Produce Clean Hydrogen From Nuclear Power

This innovative approach will allow clean hydrogen to serve as a source for zero-carbon electricity and represent an important economic product for nuclear plants beyond electricity.

https://www.energy.gov/articles/doe-...-nuclear-power

[chad86tsi]

Originally Posted by David70

Last month a tank trailer hauling roughly 9000 gallons of gasoline shutdown I95 after it burned, killing the driver and causing an overpass to collapse.

https://www.wsaz.com/2023/06/11/tank...rities%20said.

A man from North Carolina has been killed while he was working on a new Tesla Motors auto charging station in Virginia.

https://www.christmasinjurylawyers.c...rging-station/

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by car-addicted

you left out the hindenburg disaster references? :d

I LIKE it!

[RM7]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

I'm assuming so "The range is a claimed 310 miles"

haha....

No, you don't understand.

Hydrogen has to be stored at insane pressures...the tanks and systems in cars generally can't handle it, so it has to be gassed off and can't sit, might explode...Sure, if you fill it up you might get 300 miles...but you can't fill it up and then let it sit.

Maybe they figured it out...but hydrogen has serious issues that EVs do not suffer from. I do see hydrogen as a possible fuel in some situations, like ships and possible long-range trucking/transportation, but I think this will be pretty limited as far as passenger vehicles, no big advantages that outweigh the huge disadvantages.

[M5Rick]

With what I've read so far, any thoughts of a hydrogen powered road car gets me thinking of a bomb ready to go off and incinerating the occupants.

[Car-Addicted]

Hmmmm... Looks like the ICE is the answer.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by RM7

haha....

No, you don't understand.

Hydrogen has to be stored at insane pressures...the tanks and systems in cars generally can't handle it, so it has to be gassed off and can't sit, might explode...Sure, if you fill it up you might get 300 miles...but you can't fill it up and then let it sit.

Maybe they figured it out...but hydrogen has serious issues that EVs do not suffer from. I do see hydrogen as a possible fuel in some situations, like ships and possible long-range trucking/transportation, but I think this will be pretty limited as far as passenger vehicles, no big advantages that outweigh the huge disadvantages.

We all saw what happened when a 5" thick carbon fiber tank subject to cold temps and high pressures tried to visit the Titanic. Besides the pressure involved, stored liquid hydrogen is very cold too at -400 deg. F. No thanks.

[kyriian]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Hmmmm... Looks like the ICE is the answer.

Or a healthy balance of all the current available tech, the consumer can best choose whatever that suit their needs, whether that'd be ICE, PHEV, or EV, or even a small percentage of H2 or whatever else the world's boffins can come up with.

[David70]

Originally Posted by chad86tsi

A man from North Carolina has been killed while he was working on a new Tesla Motors auto charging station in Virginia.

https://www.christmasinjurylawyers.c...rging-station/

Man died near me after his ICE crash and fire -https://news.yahoo.com/ohio-man-dead...032443708.html

We can continue but none of this means much of anything without actual data. Virtually never ending supply of my replies on ICE fires if people want them.

[Murf the Surf]

Originally Posted by David70

Man died near me after his ICE crash and fire -https://news.yahoo.com/ohio-man-dead...032443708.html

We can continue but none of this means much of anything without actual data. Virtually never ending supply of my replies on ICE fires if people want them.

I agree that there is likely being too much made out of EV fires without data to show there is a higher number of them as a percentage catching fire.

I think the issue with the fires is how difficult they are to put out and how dangerous they are once they catch fire, or have been in a minor accident and the risk of a damaged battery catching fire.

Perhaps the severity of the fires gets more attention, but given that EV's make up less than 1% of vehicles on the roads there seems to be a high number of reported fires.

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by Murf the Surf

I agree that there is likely being too much made out of EV fires without data to show there is a higher number of them as a percentage catching fire.

I think the issue with the fires is how difficult they are to put out and how dangerous they are once they catch fire, or have been in a minor accident and the risk of a damaged battery catching fire.

Perhaps the severity of the fires gets more attention, but given that EV's make up less than 1% of vehicles on the roads there seems to be a high number of reported fires.

It’s a man bites dog story. ICE fires are old and boring. EV fires are more interesting at present to report.

[David70]

Originally Posted by Murf the Surf

I agree that there is likely being too much made out of EV fires without data to show there is a higher number of them as a percentage catching fire.

I think the issue with the fires is how difficult they are to put out and how dangerous they are once they catch fire, or have been in a minor accident and the risk of a damaged battery catching fire.

Perhaps the severity of the fires gets more attention, but given that EV's make up less than 1% of vehicles on the roads there seems to be a high number of reported fires.

I think there are far more EV fires reported because they make for news that people are interested in reading. With the number of vehicle fires well over 100k per year I don't think people care about reading about most of them.

I agree putting them out is a problem but without data it's just a never post of news articles about an individual fire.

Here's an interesting bit of data, (2018 but guessing overall number of fires doesn't change drastically year to year, as you pointed out EV's are a tiny part of the total) and it's why when I hear about one EV catching fire/in the news it is close to meaningless to me. -

An estimated 212,500 vehicle fires caused 560 civilian deaths, 1,500 civilian injuries; and $1.9 billion in direct property damage in the US during 2018.

chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https://www.nfpa.org/-/media/Files/News-and-Research/Fire-statistics-and-reports/US-Fire-Problem/osvehiclefires.pdf