Two new 4 cylinder engines MY2012

[zEdP]

On a German forum, a message was posted that states the N52 engine will be replaced by a 2.0 liter turbo engine (130Kw and 175Kw). These new model updates will be called sDrive20i and 28i. According this post also the 35i will get an engine update. I guess some exterior changes will also be part of the new model.

LINK GERMAN POST

[teagueAMX]

This is the translation from Google Translate, although I'm sure some of you could do better. Sounds like he's saying models 23i and 30i will be replaced by 20i and 28i, which I think zEdP mentioned but I didn't quite understand it. Too bad he doesn't mention his source info. It appears from translation of a few posts that follow it the EU i clamping down with some tighter pollution regulations.

New 4-cylinder turbo engines for year-end

Short time lost here

Just wanted to tell short (maybe it's also been recently known) to the end of Year 2 new engines on the market.

Both 2-liter turbo engines, one for the 130 KW and the other to the 175 KW.

This also responds BMW again downsizing.

S23 and S30 will lapse at the end of the year.

The new models will probably be a S20 and S28.

S35 gets the year, model and engine overhaul revision.

All information obtained from BMW circles.

Best regards Utze

[zEdP]

Originally Posted by teagueAMX

which I think zEdP mentioned but I didn't quite understand it.

N52 engine will be replaced by a 2.0 liter turbo engine.

The N52 is used in the 23i and 30i, so these models will be phased out.

Also interesting is the 35i statement "engine update". Does this mean an updated N54 or the new N55.?.

[teagueAMX]

Thanks zEdP.

I can only assume as there is a lot of speculation about it happening in MY 2012.

[KrisNL]

The guy in the article doesn't have any info through BMW but speculates on the downsizing because of the new EU emission regulations.

[zEdP]

Originally Posted by KrisNL

The guy in the article doesn't have any info through BMW but speculates on the downsizing because of the new EU emission regulations.

Alle Infos aus BMW Kreisen.

He states that this info is from people who have somehow a relation with the BMW organisation.

[teagueAMX]

I wondered where the info came from myself. What he's saying could be entirely possible, but not quoting a source lacks credibility.

Reading though the other comments in the same thread, laboring with google translate, it sounded like the harsh new EU pollution regs don't really kick in until 2015, but EU countries are required to track emission output of vehicles. BMW is making this change ahead of time in a way stockpile emissions credits? Doesn't make a lot of sense.

If it is true we'll be hearing it from official sources very soon. I think people are going crazy with speculation about MY 2012.

[zEdP]

Originally Posted by teagueAMX

If it is true we'll be hearing it from official sources very soon. I think people are going crazy with speculation about MY 2012.

With a model life cycle of ~7 years, a model update could happen after 3 MY's. So the E89 update sounds more logical for MY 2013, introduced late 2012.

I also guess these new small engines will be introduced in the new 5 series (EU) first. Let's speculate some more the 130 kw will be a naturally aspirated. and will weight 1299Kg (empty). Ok, I will stop...time for a drink.

[KrisNL]

Originally Posted by zEdP

He states that this info is from people who have somehow a relation with the BMW organisation.

BMW circles, too vague... can be dealer or coffee girl. Sources we can check are what we need.

[ChuckB]

Can't speak to the engine choices, but this does fit in with the Euro 5 & Euro 6 standards coming into play.

NMHC is the same as U.S. "VOC" compounds. intersting to note that the Euro 5 standards are show as going into effect Sep 2009, but under the rules this only applies to new model cars, and the current Z4 was introduced as a new model in Germany in May of 2009. Existing models come under the EU 5 rules in Sep 2012, so if they hold to the model release schedule for the E89 we should see something new/updated in 2012.

The European Commission's aim is to reduce average emissions from new passenger cars in the EU to 120 g of CO2/km. Note that the current sDrive30i produces 198g of CO2/km, so you see where things are going. From 2012 penalties for manufacturers will be Euro 20 for 2012, Euro 35 for 2013, Euro 60 for 2014 and and Euro 95 from 2015 onwards per vehicle not meeting the standards. While this fine will be assessed per vehicle, it is based upon all vehicles from a given manufacturer sold and registered within the EU. So I could see a price cut on the cleaner models, and a performance surcharge on some models which don't meet the standards

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Until now not every vehicle counted, but that is also changing as the following numbers go into effect:

• 65 % in 2012;
• 75 % in 2013;
• 80 % in 2014;
• 100 % from 2015 onwards

Previously manufacturers did the reporting, but now the Country governments do the reporting

Changes from Euro 4 to Euro 5 [Euro 5 went into effect this month]
* carbon monoxide: 1 000 mg/km;
* non-methane hydrocarbons: 68 mg/km;
* total hydrocarbons: 100 mg/km;
* nitrogen oxides (NOx): 60 mg/km (25% reduction of emissions in comparison to the Euro 4 standard);
* particulates (solely for lean burn direct-injection petrol vehicles): 5 mg/km (introduction of a limit that did not exist for the Euro 4 standard).

Yup - this crap does get complicated, so if I got something wrong please correct it. this article from the German press also has some interesting hints on where BMW is going:
http://translate.google.com/translat...3er%2F&act=url

[CeEl]

The posts on the original German forum are actually kinda fun to read.

One guy is saying that the engines will be smaller, therefore BMW is taking the "opportunity" for a small refresh. Supposedly, the next Boxter refresh is due in January 2012, which would be another reason to keep things interesting. Somebody is wondering if BMW will have a "trunk" in the front since there will be more room due to the smaller engine ...

[teagueAMX]

Originally Posted by CeEl

Somebody is wondering if BMW will have a "trunk" in the front since there will be more room due to the smaller engine ...

Noticed that one too, but I think he was being facetious - but then again my German is only as good as Google Translate.

[CeEl]

Originally Posted by teagueAMX

Noticed that one too, but I think he was being facetious - but then again my German is only as good as Google Translate.

Yes, I think he was joking ... should have made that clear!

[teagueAMX]

Originally Posted by CeEl

Yes, I think he was joking ... should have made that clear!

No prob - I knew you didn't take him seriously.

[zEdP]

Some German links with reviews of the new 4 cylinder N20B20 X1 28i.

They really praise this new engine. In these reviews some comparisons are made with the N52B30. The X1 with the N20B20 feels more power full, will accelerate faster, the car is lighter and in the X1 ~2000 euro cheaper. This will even be more in countries with co2 taxes. I can image that in the Netherlands an E89 with this new engine will be priced in the 23i range. Some extra depreciation for 23i and 30i owners.

Have fun with google translate:

http://www.motorvision.de/artikel/ge...echt,7206.html

http://www.spiegel.de/auto/fahrberic...745941,00.html

http://www.n24.de/news/newsitem_6669328.html

[MMVI]

This unit has just been announced in X3 2.8i. It has been highly praised and whilst mournful of the loss of 6 cyls it is a logical change. The C02 on the z has been oddly high, so this cant come soon enough.

When exactly (to the month) does anyone think they will be shipping.

[rori zahr]

so the N55 may be the engine choice for the 35i right, or is there something newer coming ?

[Otago]

I will keep my 30i, might become classic car one day!!

[teagueAMX]

Originally Posted by MMVI

. . .it is a logical change. The C02 on the z has been oddly high, so this cant come soon enough.

There's nothing oddly high about the Z4's NA I6 C02 emmissions - it called a well designed NA engine that produces a very flexible power band across a wide RPM range that results in a highly gratifying sensation to drive, i.e., sports car.

All you Europeans freaking out about greenhouse gasses - have you decided what you're going to do about companies like Ferrari, Lamborghini, Bugatti, etc.? Shouldn't they be banned - or better yet, let's put a 1.0L TT in the 458 Italia, and convert the bugatti veyron grand sport to a hybrid.

BTW, didn't you get the memo? Al Gore and his cronies' lies have been exposed.

[Vintage]

Originally Posted by Otago

I will keep my 30i, might become classic car one day!!

couldn't agree with you more!!!