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<--- Has the option of sharing his videos with law enforcement, if I read the 5th amendment correctly. <--- Has made several trips to court for a home CCTV video that he voluntarily shared with the local police, for grand jury testimony, jury trial testimony, and to watch a scumbag get sentenced to 25-life for arson and murder that his CCTV cameras captured. <--- Would never own a Ring doorbell camera, Amazon Alexa, Google anything for privacy reasons. <--- Would never submit his DNA to 23-and-me, because duh. <--- Walked around work for 25+ years sporting an ID badge with his photo taken wearing a full-face racing helmet, before The Stig was cool.
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We might all own such a vehicle. In the case of the Explorer, it took x-number of switch cycles before it became problematic. Unnerving.
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Also, it’s not quite the same as having a regular dashcam. The integration with Tesla is next level, like being able to record everything happening around your car 24/7, even while parked, which is part of the appeal. It’s the idea that law enforcement can take your car without you even being involved in a crime that feels unsettling. I’m just saying it’s something people might not have considered when buying a Tesla. At the end of the day, this is about privacy. Most people don’t expect their personal property to be part of an investigation unless they are directly involved. This could make people rethink how much they want their car or any tech to be constantly recording and potentially sharing information with authorities, even indirectly. |
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As to the original question. No. It doesn’t make me rethink owning a Tesla anymore than it makes me rethink owning dashcams. If privacy were my major concern when buying a vehicle I wouldn’t own anything post 2000 and the dashcam function on the Tesla would be the LEAST of my concern. |
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So tell me this. Regular car with a dashcam that stays on while parked. Shit goes down in front on the car somewhere. Owner cannot be found. Will you tow it? Same scenario with a Tesla, will you tow it? Also how many Teslas are ya’ll towing for this purpose every year? |
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I’ve never towed/impounded a Tesla as evidence for that reason, but now that there’s precedent, I just might (…if that Tesla is part of my crime scene). That was very smart thinking on behalf of those Oakland P.D. officers. |
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It’s not just about how many Teslas are being towed every year for this purpose. The real issue is the potential for it to happen at all. It raises concerns about the future of personal privacy, especially as more tech is integrated into everyday devices. It's not about whether this happens often, but whether people are comfortable with the idea that owning tech like a Tesla could make them part of an investigation they had no involvement in. That’s a bigger shift in how we think about the relationship between technology, privacy, and law enforcement. As for the clickbait point, sure, headlines can sensationalize things. But it’s not necessarily anti-Tesla,it’s more about the broader privacy implications of having a car that’s always recording and could be pulled into an investigation, even if the owner has nothing to do with it. It’s more of a discussion around how technology in cars is changing our expectations of privacy. Again, it’s not about how many Teslas get towed, but about how they are perceived differently because of their tech. |
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Also, you are wrong. People have been charged and convicted of reckless driving even via their recorded Instagram videos. That’s the blessing and the curse of this generation; they love to record everything …..chasing that social media status. A person can absolutely be convicted of reckless driving based on data gathered from the vehicle recordings. Also keep in mind that law enforcement can further strengthen the case by sending a subpoena to the cellular phone company of the registered owner as another metric to prove they were inside the vehicle. With that said, that isn’t the case in a situation like what is mentioned in the original post. It is unlikely the warrant would include anything but a specific period of time that coincided with the timeframe of the crime. Law enforcement wouldn’t be given carte blanche to all of the data. Warrants are written with specificity. |
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First I think the chances of my car filming a crime anywhere in the future is tiny. Next add in the chances I will have the video but don't want to share it and the odds get to be miniscule. Next question is if I were on the other side, where a crime was committed against me, there is video evidence that could help police catch the person that did it and the person won't give it up and I'm not sure which side of the issue I on.
Seems like everyone here wants to be able to hold onto the video regardless yet what if your neighbor had video on his car that would show who took one of your family members? Suddenly we would be completely against them not having to give it up?
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