Still want an EV?

[R N M]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

2035 on the move!!!!

Big updates coming soon!!! Can't wait for 2028-2030!

The holy fuck it's really happening moment will soon come!

Let's go EV POWER!

Just wait until the car battery limits you up to 10mph over speed limit.
The only reason Fed is pushing EVs is greater control of the public.

BTW those gas taxes will need to be replaced soon once ICE starts to be less than 50% of new car sales. Will be interesting to see how they will “monitor” miles driven and then send you over nice tax bill. EV power baby!

[KRS_SN]

I somehow feel that planet earth and mother nature decides the fate of inhabitants and not vice versa.
A mega volcanic eruption and a nuclear winter that follows can easily cool things tremendously. Plus solar panels won't work in that scenario if we become dependent on them alone etc.
The Chinese car making industrial machine can make a killing while the west plunges into a recession.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by gonzo

"Enjoy the same beautiful planet we got to enjoy"

I just don't understand verde priorities, or maybe beauty is in the eye of the beholder? Hey, y'all check boxes for it. Rock on!

We had something like that going on in Park Lane,central London and they were cleared by enforcement officers from the council.

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by R N M

Just wait until the car battery limits you up to 10mph over speed limit.
The only reason Fed is pushing EVs is greater control of the public.

BTW those gas taxes will need to be replaced soon once ICE starts to be less than 50% of new car sales. Will be interesting to see how they will “monitor” miles driven and then send you over nice tax bill. EV power baby!

Who's not to say they can't "control" you with the ICE cars of today?

Let's say EV was never happening, and they kept on improving and evolving ICE, you don't think they can't control you then?

With the new cars being able to receive OTA updates, i'm sure that update can trigger some sort of fault into your car if that's what they want to do.

And even if you are correct about all that, i honestly don't care. You're thinking of a scenario that's so out there and something you wouldn't be able to change, TODAY, even if you were right about the future.

Let's go EV!

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by SoCal_NSX

talk about not getting it...you are absolutely clueless about anything EV yet you spew hyperbolic nonsense nonstop on here like about how they will never make it to 2035 becuese they cant fill up in 5 minutes....

I'm done...

Mark Twain would even say today.. 'twas a moment of madness at the time when some fat-so in a house by the river said first 2040,then 2035 then 2030 that fuel vehicular sales would cease'.

[M Division]

Originally Posted by AmuroRay

No one wants electric cars, but automakers are making then because world governments are pushing them to do so. A paperweight disposal car in 5 years

150% accurate

[Murf the Surf]

Originally Posted by SoCal_NSX

I wish it was a 392....it's just a 2.0T

Just cuz I have ICE cars doesnt mean I'm naive to the fact that EV's are the future and much better for the planet at the end of the day...I have kids and hope to have grandkids someday....would hope they will have same beautiful planet that we got to enjoy

I will be fine if those are the last ICE vehicles I ever own....to be honest, I hardly ever even drive the 718 anymore and will probably sell it soon...the M3P has been an eye opener for me and has completely jaded my senses of what a car is supposed to do when you hit the gas pedal and not going to gas stations with these gas prices is just a bonus at this point

Here's the thing right now, are EV's really any better for the planet? "Leading scientists" are in agreement, except there isn't really any room for public debate on the matter. From what I can see and using common sense, the mining of rare earth minerals isn't exactly green, nor is it particularly humane for the folks doing most of the digging. Then the processing, and manufacture of the batteries is somewhat questionable in its green-ness. So much of the production of electricity is still using coal fired plants. The next not so green hurtle to overcome will be a doubling or more of electricity production and the infrastructure to deliver it.

I don't think there is much of a market nor will there be for used EV's (I could be wrong), but I don't see much of a market for used electronics, and frankly ICE is becoming very efficient with MPG, so I am of the view that EV's and more likely PHEV's have a place but the notion that a wholesale banning of ICE is a bit short sighted, and is putting the cart before the horse.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by SoCal_NSX

I wish it was a 392....it's just a 2.0T

Just cuz I have ICE cars doesnt mean I'm naive to the fact that EV's are the future and much better for the planet at the end of the day...I have kids and hope to have grandkids someday....would hope they will have same beautiful planet that we got to enjoy

I will be fine if those are the last ICE vehicles I ever own....to be honest, I hardly ever even drive the 718 anymore and will probably sell it soon...the M3P has been an eye opener for me and has completely jaded my senses of what a car is supposed to do when you hit the gas pedal and not going to gas stations with these gas prices is just a bonus at this point

Apologies, I thought in your Tahoe post it was a 392. Regardless it's still a flying brick and gets 20 MPG (my 2.3L Ecoboost Bronco is averaging 20.4 lifetime so far). But the point remains, until your last post, you had not pulled the Green card.

I never disrespect anyone for the car they choose to own, but when people who drive ICE clamor on about globalwarmingclimatechange, then I have to call them on it. Pet peeve of mine.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by SoCal_NSX

Yeah, the homelessness issue is a whole nother issue and I'm sorry if that is the world you see everyday, but has nothing to do with antartica warming at an alarming rate...burying our heads in the sand and carrying on like bussiness as usual isnt going to help

Over the course of the Earth's 4.5-billion-year history, the climate has changed a lot. This is true. But the rapid warming we're seeing now can't be explained by natural cycles of warming and cooling. The kind of changes that would normally happen over hundreds of thousands of years are happening in decades.


https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

My point/position, which I feel is basic common sense, is the planet has a cart full of care issues right in front of us. They're not predictions, they are here. Billions for their fix and things are statistically worse. So I'm supposed to jump on board the thought of the same people, regarding a massively larger project such as EV adaptation, to be in charge?

Follow the money because it is behind all of the above. It's sickening.

Take care.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by KRS_SN

I somehow feel that planet earth and mother nature decides the fate of inhabitants and not vice versa.
A mega volcanic eruption and a nuclear winter that follows can easily cool things tremendously. Plus solar panels won't work in that scenario if we become dependent on them alone etc.
The Chinese car making industrial machine can make a killing while the west plunges into a recession.

This ^. This was the general scientific understanding based on geological and anthropological data up until the proliferation of the internet as the societal data source.

I've actually read on the internet where the imbalanced distribution of humans on the planet is the cause of the Milankovitch Cycles, which causes real climate change. LOL.

Once Yellowstone lights off, whoever is around at that time will then quickly and fully understand the Earth dictates what life lives on it.

[gonzo]

^
Not nearly the same power but Juan de Fuca will open a few eyes too.

[Murf the Surf]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

This ^. This was the general scientific understanding based on geological and anthropological data up until the proliferation of the internet as the societal data source.

I've actually read on the internet where the imbalanced distribution of humans on the planet is the cause of the Milankovitch Cycles, which causes real climate change. LOL.

Once Yellowstone lights off, whoever is around at that time will then quickly and fully understand the Earth dictates what life lives on it.

And the alarmists will blame it on climate change and GHG emissions.

[G35POPPEDMYCHERRY]

Originally Posted by gonzo

My point/position, which I feel is basic common sense, is the planet has a cart full of care issues right in front of us. They're not predictions, they are here. Billions for their fix and things are statistically worse. So I'm supposed to jump on board the thought of the same people, regarding a massively larger project such as EV adaptation, to be in charge?

Follow the money because it is behind all of the above. It's sickening.

Take care.

through all the politics, covid mandates, taxes, irs, abortion, racism, gun laws whatever

what i bolded above is ALWAYS the elephant in the room and MOST don't want to understand or believe it.

its ALWAYS about the money

[akin67]

Originally Posted by R N M

Just wait until the car battery limits you up to 10mph over speed limit.
The only reason Fed is pushing EVs is greater control of the public.

BTW those gas taxes will need to be replaced soon once ICE starts to be less than 50% of new car sales. Will be interesting to see how they will “monitor” miles driven and then send you over nice tax bill. EV power baby!

Just supply and demand dictates that as more people want/need electricity to power their vehicles, the cost of electricity will go up, and similarly if we utilize smaller and smaller portions of our existing petroleum capacity those costs will likely go down. But I am sure we will see higher taxes on gasoline to entice people to migrate to EVs.

The automobile industry is investing all their investable funds on EV vehicles. From here in I don't see much new development of ICE technology, definitely not in 10 years time.

[Murf the Surf]

Originally Posted by akin67

Just supply and demand dictates that as more people want/need electricity to power their vehicles, the cost of electricity will go up, and similarly if we utilize smaller and smaller portions of our existing petroleum capacity those costs will likely go down. But I am sure we will see higher taxes on gasoline to entice people to migrate to EVs.

The automobile industry is investing all their investable funds on EV vehicles. From here in I don't see much new development of ICE technology, definitely not in 10 years time.

Government loves its taxes, government collects staggering amounts of taxes from gas, as people move to EV's the tax collection will have to shift. There will also be a need for Trillions to build power plants and upgrade the delivery. That money has to come from somewhere. I'm going to suggest electricity is going to get much more expensive.

[R N M]

Originally Posted by G35POPPEDMYCHERRY

through all the politics, covid mandates, taxes, irs, abortion, racism, gun laws whatever

what i bolded above is ALWAYS the elephant in the room and MOST don't want to understand or believe it.

its ALWAYS about the money

100% and the one country that stands to gain the most is China.
It has zero Oil but a ton of lithium and enough space to build refineries and battery plants. In 10-15 yrs, most common cars will be Chinese makes and all batteries will be manufactured in China. US will lose the little that is remaining of their auto manufacturing domestically.

[akin67]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

There's something you don't understand. The petrochemical industry just can't shift to making less gasoline. The distillation ratio between the various fuels and petrochemicals is fixed. The ratio is dependent upon the distillation infrastructure already in place. That infrastructure just can't be recapitalized overnight. It will be trillions in investment and decades of work to adjust the fuel stratification supply. Forced mass adoption of EV just disrupts every industry that makes life comfortable for human, from motor fuel tax collection (to pay for roads) to the cost of home heating oil and jet fuel.

But hey, the Planet is at stake!

I wasn't aware of that. But how do they then adjust when global demand dries up due to recessions etc...? The reduction in demand will not happen overnight. It will gradually decrease over the next couple of decades.

[akin67]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Well, would you invest in advancing ICE technology when most of the world's governments have banned ICE starting in 2035? But hey, no one is forcing me to buy EV. Lol.

But that would be like wishing to invest in horse carriages after the invention of the ICE vehicles. In 20+ years time who knows, maybe we will have nuclear or fusion powered vehicles that never need a recharge. We have to go with the flow and make the best of what is available to us. The charging issues will definitely improve over time. They will be quicker to charge and more convenient. But I am worried that the government, and utilities are not keeping up with the needed investments on the grid. I installed a whole-house generator as insurance against power disruptions. I think last year about 7 - 8% of vehicles sold in the US were electric. From here on every year that will increase. Is the grid capable of supporting this new demand? Plus on top of that trucks, busses etc. will make the same transition. Let's see how this evolves.

[SoCal_NSX]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

The difference is the government didn't mandate the end of the horse. Several inventors developed a better horse and the market took it from there.

I'm planning on building a new smaller house for retirement. I've decided to go full solar with it. Not to be Green, but because these dumbass planet savers are going to end up tripling the price of electricity, propane, motor fuel (to deliver the propane) and food. All just to drive EV.

you yourself are going solar...not becuse it is saving the planet, becuse it is cheaper source of energy and at the same time a much cleaner source of energy.
You're falling for Their evil plan

[Patton250]

Originally Posted by SoCal_NSX

you yourself are going solar...not becuse it is saving the planet, becuse it is cheaper source of energy and at the same time a much cleaner source of energy.
You're falling for Their evil plan

Apparently, you didn’t read the details for his reasoning. Either that or you chose to ignore that part.

[Ghostrider.1127]

Originally Posted by aerobod

Still is now, but the incentives will obviously disappear as the momentum behind BEVs displaces ICEs from the market and the grid and renewal electricity generation have to adapt. It is unlikely the cost per km/mile of the same class and age of ICE will ever be below that of a BEV again. https://www.euronews.com/next/2022/1...-vs-refuelling

That´s was before the war , cost of KW at charging points increase to a good 70% ( to 230%) . Some links are not doing the trick , with the current prices run a diesel still cheaper than a EV ...

[aerobod]

Originally Posted by Ghostrider.1127

That´s was before the war , cost of KW at charging points increase to a good 70% ( to 230%) . Some links are not doing the trick , with the current prices run a diesel still cheaper than a EV ...

Not any more, the price is back down to pre-war levels of 2021, after the major peaks in Aug and Dec 2022: https://www.statista.com/statistics/...price-country/ Of course those who locked into contracts when the price was high are going to be paying more than those paying current market rates.