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Weird. BMW says they sold over 362K cars in the US in 2023 and 332K in 2022.
https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/usa/a...-sales-results Last edited by SportySpice; 10-13-2024 at 10:42 AM.. |
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After having EVs for 4 years, I loved the driving experience because they fit my driving style perfectly. However, with the flooding of cheap EVs, I don’t want to see how the infrastructure will handle the influx of idiots in their $200 Chevy EV leases and not know what they’re doing.
Unfortunately for me, I am extremely used to the power of an EV now and now have to spend a ton on a gas vehicle to get similar power. Ordered an M4 comp convertible. (I’ve also been trapped under fixed glass for 3 years so time to take it all off) |
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So Audi and Buick somehow ended up at similar numbers? Buicks most pricey car is the Enclave, and that gets you a mid range Audi Q5, not even a SQ5
I know Audi don’t shift many etrons , but they sell Q8 and Q7 like hot cakes Chart is deeply flawed without any methodology on the study it is pointless, but it’s compiled by an instagrammer, it holds as much water as a colander
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I have no idea if any of those sales numbers are right. However when I moved into my community there was 1 tesla and it was rare to see them on the street. Now I there are so many in the community I’ve lost count and they are everywhere on the street.
Now in NC it’s still rather rare although there are a couple I see constantly. The area we are in is not a wealthy area though. Once you go to the wealthier areas you see more although they seem to prefer rivians. |
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Or well, in the case of the Taycan Porsche dealers won't even take them in on trade because they can't sell them. |
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It would be interesting to see what is the measure of a luxury vehicle. I'm on the side of Tesla isn't a luxury vehicle (I've owned 2) in terms of materials, fit and finish, etc. But in terms of features, it offers a lot, some of which BMW doesn't even offer. Granted not all of it works great, looking at you "full self driving".
I just call it "premium" which is just as nebulous of a term. |
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Like the door panel materials don’t feel like a cheap chevy and I haven’t noticed any of the cheap plastics used in the economy cars etc. They use this “vegan” leather stuff but honestly… I’ve only had the white seats, not sure if black are different… but I find it very soft and nice. Waaaaay better than the pleather in my 128i, although admittedly that was a long time ago. |
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That said, the gap between mainstream brands and luxury brands has shrunk massively since the 2000s. The differentiator in a lot of cases is powertrain, BMW and Mercedes and Audi and the like have offered turbocharged V8s with way more power than any mainstream competition except for the few lt4 and hellcat powered offerings. But when you go electrified, that goes away. So I think it's a hard sell on an luxury EV when a mainstream one is like, basically the same thing with basically the same powertrain At some point, EVa will be basically the same underneath and manufacturers will be applying their interior and exterior designs and UIs. |
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If the functionality is there, people won't care IMO. Comfortable seats, vents that work, controls that work, that is what matters. Whether there's a bunch of goat-balls-leather-inlaid knobs and diamond-encrusted trim is of importance to far less people.
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Also, the real issue is a car like the 3 series has no better materials than a regular ass Chevy or Ford now days. It's probably got worse materials than a nice jeep or dodge. That said, Tesla's minimalist design just looks like cheap ikea to me. I get some people like it. But it looks really cheap to me. |
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They also like to bring ICE stuff to the EVs like start button. Why? There’s nothing to start. Why do I still need a key fob in 2024? You have an app, but I still need a physical fob to get in. I drove a Mercedes that would do regen braking, which is good, but would then like artificially move the brake pedal down so when you want to brake more you would come to find the pedal was no longer where it should be. Honestly I’m ok with either full on manual buttons for everything and fine with screen… it’s combining the two where it gets harder. Quote:
American cars have come a long way in their interior quality and so have most cars I think. Unless you are talking like S class, 7 Series etc optioned out with full leather etc… most cars are pretty similar inside. I recently looked at some of the Genesis SUVs… that shit is nice inside. Maybe it’s plastic or recycled tires or whatever, I just know to me it looked nicer and more “luxurious” than some of the BMWs, Mercedes and Porsches I’ve seen. Honestly the Mercedes interiors were the most disappointing. As for the minimalist Tesla interiors, that’s your opinion, however minimalist != cheap. Minimalist is just a style, like Ikea sells stuff that has that Scandinavian look. Ikea sells cheap furniture in that style, but I’m sure you can buy very pricy furniture in that same style but made out of actual wood etc. While I did not like the Model 3 interior for a long time, having owned one for several years now it has grown on me. What I do definitely like is that it’s unique. When I’m in the Tesla I KNOW I’m in the Tesla. Vs other cars there all so similar. Same thing with the cybertruck. While I don’t personally find the design all that attractive… I’m glad someone is making some crazy shit. Maybe it will encourage other manufacturers to make other crazy shit that may be more my style. |
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