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      04-19-2021, 10:25 AM   #155
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Hamilton's supporters will argue without a single ounce of integrity that it's all or mostly driver's skill, not technology, that's responsible for those championships, despite the disparity in technology being on display for all to see in every single race, season after season, since the first days of F1. It's disingenuous in my opinion, but it's their opinion, and everyone is entitled to one.

And they take your disagreements PERSONALLY, as if it's their first born you've insulted.
Find me someone on the grid who has accomplished as much as Sir Lewis has. Not even Nico (who won literally by 'luck') never amounted to this much.

I'll wait.
Nico is a clown just like Botta$$.
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The Red Bull was fastest in testing, the first race and this race. Only the one-lap prowess of Sir Lewis put it on pole and gave it fastest lap.
Don't move the goalposts, you're better than that. I was responding to your assertion "And he still has more rain wins than VER has wins, period." That's got nothing to do with preseason testing this year.
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Nice to know even without Max in the conversation we devolve to this petty back and forth garbage.
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It looks bad on Bottas that he was getting passed by a Williams in 9th. He shouldn't have been that far back in the first place. Lewis was able to easily run up the grid and Norris was the only one that took some maneuvering. Bottas had most of the race and was only going backwards.



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      04-19-2021, 11:17 AM   #159
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Don't move the goalposts, you're better than that. I was responding to your assertion "And he still has more rain wins than VER has wins, period." That's got nothing to do with preseason testing this year.
Ah. If that is what you are responding to then the fact is the fact. Sir Lewis has more rain wins than VER has wins, overall. Look them up.
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Or this?

https://www.reddit.com/r/NASCAR/comm...B6nen_wrecked/

"Earlier today, PlanetRobby shared photos of the damaged car on Twitter (Imgur mirror above).

In the replies, crew chief Patrick Donahue noted he was less than pleased with Kimi's attitude during the test.[9][10]

"That was a terrible day he got out of the car and want to fly to Monaco," read one tweet. "Didn't care that he had just torn it up either I was disappointed in the way he acted"."

Or here:

https://www.planetf1.com/uncategoriz...ude-raikkonen/
I don't want to force you to waste your time spamming us with links to stupid articles, so sure, your links have made it an open and shut case.
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      04-19-2021, 11:21 AM   #161
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I don't want to force you to waste your time spamming us with links to stupid articles, so sure, your links have made it an open and shut case.
I'm not sure what level of proof is enough, but half this forum literally hates Lewis for less.
"Ugh, his smile is so condescending!"
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I'm not sure what level of proof is enough, but half this forum literally hates Lewis for less.
"Ugh, his smile is so condescending!"
Those articles are at zero, regarding levels of proof, especially with something as subjective as likability.

As for Lewis, I'm not in that crew, so don't expect BS to have any effect on my ability to make my own decision. Only thing I've ever said against him is that we can't say which driver is definitely faster unless they are all driving the same car.

People are just haters.
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Woah or woah, what a race. The whole thing was wild from start to finish.
So many great headlines too.
Perez - Couldnt keep up
Bottas - What a day...
Russell - Probably shouldnt have.
Norris - Amazing work
Ferrari - Solid
Riccardo - Still slower?
Vettel - Seems not to have it anymore
Hamilton - Good results considering
Max - Well done
Gasly - Good recovery
I agree with this whole list.

I would add Tsunoda - You almost proved something...
And I would amend Bottas - I'd like to forget this weekend
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Fantastic drive by Max.

Yes, Lewis was very lucky he made his mistake right before the red flag. Yes, he did make a fantastic recovery.

Max was the better driver for sure this race.
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Russell apologises.
IMO the best thing he could do to move forward.
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Russell's apology has a close connection with Toto's reaction..
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Russell's apology has a close connection with Toto's reaction..
I agree. My take on it was Bottas moved to the right.

But such is reality sometimes. Totto's interest is Mercedes right now, not Russell, as much as he is a very viable candidate to replace Bottas.
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I agree. My take on it was Bottas moved to the right.

But such is reality sometimes. Totto's interest is Mercedes right now, not Russell, as much as he is a very viable candidate to replace Bottas.
Since you track your cars you probably know that the track can also move relative to the cars position in kinks, such as the spot of the combustion.

Racing incident but more RUS than BOT as there is ample racing room left to RUS. BOT had his right tire slightly over the white line splitting the track. RUS had plenty of room. Red mist and eagerness mistake.
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Since you track your cars you probably know that the track can also move relative to the cars position in kinks, such as the spot of the combustion.

Racing incident but more RUS than BOT as there is ample racing room left to RUS. BOT had his right tire slightly over the white line splitting the track. RUS had plenty of room. Red mist and eagerness mistake.
Yea, Russ anticipated Bottas moving much more than Bottas actually did. He didn't trust Bottas was going to leave him enough space, but that's on Russ.
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Yea, Russ anticipated Bottas moving much more than Bottas actually did. He didn't trust Bottas was going to leave him enough space, but that's on Russ.
This was literally a situation of: Let the race come to you.
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Since you track your cars you probably know that the track can also move relative to the cars position in kinks, such as the spot of the combustion.



Racing incident but more RUS than BOT as there is ample racing room left to RUS. BOT had his right tire slightly over the white line splitting the track. RUS had plenty of room. Red mist and eagerness mistake.
Sure. Also see how much Bottas moved from the left towards the right in the last 50 or so meters before they hit each other. Looks to me like he was trying to block Russell.

Numerous overtakes attempted and made cleanly on the end of the main straight during the race wherein the driver being passed on the inside kept their line.

In any case, the Williams had no business overtaking the Mercedes but that's what happens when you have Russell and Bottas as the drivers.

In any case, Bottas clearly underperformed in this race.
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as i ve said earlier.. i believe that incidents blame is more on Russell.. there was room for him but wet patches and parts wasnt in Russell snap decisions.. its part of racing though..
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Sure. Also see how much Bottas moved from the left towards the right in the last 50 or so meters before they hit each other. Looks to me like he was trying to block Russell.

Numerous overtakes attempted and made cleanly on the end of the main straight during the race wherein the driver being passed on the inside kept their line.

In any case, the Williams had no business overtaking the Mercedes but that's what happens when you have Russell and Bottas as the drivers.

In any case, Bottas clearly underperformed in this race.
No doubt on the last statement!

Here is the video.



Go to the 20th second and you can see that there is ample room for RUS and that BOT is sighting the next turn. I don't have a dog in this fight...I think it was a racing incident caused by youth, inexperience and a little red mist. Once his right rear is on the grass at that velocity, it all ends in tears as we all plainly saw.
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No doubt on the last statement!

Here is the video.



Go to the 20th second and you can see that there is ample room for RUS and that BOT is sighting the next turn. I don't have a dog in this fight...I think it was a racing incident caused by youth, inexperience and a little red mist. Once his right rear is on the grass at that velocity, it all ends in tears as we all plainly saw.
and yes at 0:19.. left front tire goes directly to Bottas' head.. but halo...
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I agree. My take on it was Bottas moved to the right.

But such is reality sometimes. Totto's interest is Mercedes right now, not Russell, as much as he is a very viable candidate to replace Bottas.
A tough situation for sure. On a dry track, Russel had room. On a wet track with only one real line, its more difficult to say. I think "Racing Incident" is the best way to write this one down in the history books.
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car acts like its been softened especially rear suspension wise for 18" tires..

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