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      08-15-2019, 12:03 PM   #221
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Time will tell. My post was obviously just personal opinion and not meant to imply that not one single Jewish voter would have an issue with these two knuckleheads.
I absolutely understood this, my friend.
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The leaders of the party and many of the members are partially held captive by these women and they are influencing some stances and policy. Most Democrats even admit this.
There aren’t a lot of Jews in her district nowadays but there still are quite in the South Bronx and Northern Queens, her districts. That is pretty much is irrelevant, Omar and tlaib are voting on national issues and are in the nations spotlight. The whole country knows who these two and four women are and what they’re trying to do. Who voted for them in at home to get them to Washington doesn’t matter, it’s the policies they push for all of us in the country and the national masses that support them are influencing the party as a whole. Seems almost impossible to deny that.

I’m a native NY’er( state with most Jews) and I still live here. I have many friends who are Jewish, have some in my family and know many more. A good number of them are appalled by the antisemitism and the far left socialist swing in the current Democrat party and some said told me flat out, they will not vote the D ticket and even switch allegiance. Just adding a period to the end of your post doesn’t end a conversation in your favor nor make it correct.
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I would have thought it was perfectly clear that we were all simply stating our own personal opinions here.

I rather thought HC meant seated politicians at the national level.
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      08-15-2019, 12:07 PM   #223
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I rather thought HC meant seated politicians at the national level.
You inferred correctly. Apologies to N54 if I was unclear in trying to communicate that.
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      08-15-2019, 12:08 PM   #224
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FWIW I saw the "period" as know it all arrogance but I just expect that from you.



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      08-15-2019, 12:58 PM   #225
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I would have thought it was perfectly clear that we were all simply stating our own personal opinions here.

Opinions and I agree and you alway make sound points, it’s just a thing with me when someone say period it comes across as rudely trying to shut down a discussion. If I took it the wrong way I apologize.
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Opinions and I agree and you alway make sound points, it’s just a thing with me when someone say period it comes across as rudely trying to shut down a discussion. If I took it the wrong way I apologize.
Apologies are unnecessary. We're good.
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Regardless of whether you agree with their respective politics, the two women are elected representatives of the people of the United States of America and Trump's actions just continue to make things worse, instead of better.
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Regardless of whether you agree with their respective politics, the two women are elected representatives of the people of the United States of America and Trump's actions just continue to make things worse, instead of better.
Regardless Trump is president of the US and was elected by the people of the US.. Yet it does not stop you and the ELECTED democrats from shitting on him every chance they get.

Maybe you should take you own advice for once.


Rashida Tlaib "We are gonna impeach that mother fucker." Stated this pretty much right after getting elected.. But yeah Trump is the asshole.
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Israel is a sovereign country. They can do what they want. I don't know if I would let them in either. But that was a mistake by Trump to suggest that.
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Regardless Trump is president of the US and was elected by the people of the US.. Yet it does not stop you and the ELECTED democrats from shitting on him every chance they get.

Maybe you should take you own advice for once.


Rashida Tlaib "We are gonna impeach that mother fucker." Stated this pretty much right after getting elected.. But yeah Trump is the asshole.
We provide Israel with $3billion in aid annually, so yeah, our elected representatives should be able to travel there to observe what our money is being spent on. Shit motherfucker asshole dodah

Apparently, shit mother fucker asshole doodah, some people don't in believe free speech?

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We provide Israel with $3billion in aid annually, so yeah, our elected representatives should be able to travel there to observe what our money is being spent on. Shit motherfucker asshole dodah

Apparently, shit mother fucker asshole doodah, some people don't believe free speech?
No disagreement there. I firmly belive no matter how loony some of our elected officials are they should be allowed to travel abroad in an official capacity. I understand Israel is a sovereign state but yeah this is crossing the line.

And I believe it is closer to $6 billion
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Trump didn’t stop them from going he said they shouldn’t, free speech and all. Netanyahu is his own man and spoke for himself and his country and said I hear you knocking but you can’t come in. Israel has a law on their books that allows for barring anyone they choose from entering their country same as we do. The two antisemites said they would not even talk to Israeli authorizes there but only were going to go to Gaza, to stir up trouble.
Congress gives money to Israel and I’m sure those two wouldn't vote aye if they were seated and voted on it. They have no explicit right to go wherever they choose to, Israel is a sovereign country and don’t need to kow tow to women who are pushing to boycott the country and speak disgustingly about it.
Nobody on the left whined when oboma prevented an Israeli govt official was barred from entering the USA during his admin because Barry didn’t approve of his speech.
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No disagreement there. I firmly belive no matter how loony some of our elected officials are they should be allowed to travel abroad in an official capacity. I understand Israel is a sovereign state but yeah this is crossing the line.

And I believe it is closer to $6 billion
Lol. What possible officially capacity do you belive exists that would require them to go to Israel? Just because they are in congress does not mean they have any foriegn relations interests or obligations.

As far as Isreal allowing them in because we give them money, we give almost every nation on the planet money. Are you saying that obligates sovereign nations to allow ANY electes US official into their country no matter what?
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Apparently, shit mother fucker asshole doodah, some people don't in believe free speech?
You do know free speach ONLY applies to prosecution or persecution by the government, right? It does not protect one individual from another, nor does it restrict the responses of a foreign state. I believe in free speach, i also believe that running ones mouth can get ones arse kicked or worse. Just because you cant be prosecuted for your speach does not mean no consequences.
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You know what I really think I like these two ladies only because the MSM and trump both hate them so much so that means they must be saying some stuff that's very true and honest and I really appreciate that for politics ppl. I think those two really have some future if they are not crushed by these shady ppl.

With that said I don't understand why a congress person should be doing foreign trips like this. I think America has only 1 foreign policy and that is for the president to make and not some congress type ppl. That is not their job and it's not fair for them to go just to make a political statement I also read about governors or mayors doing foreign trips like this in official way and it always makes me a little crazy because why?? Either they go to stir up trouble or they go to kiss some but either way it's not good for us.

I think it's ok for these congress ppl to go if the president wants them to go in an official way like his representative or make a peace deal or something like that. Like I think trump wanted rand Paul to make some peace with Iran that's great if it's from presidents idea.

But when the congress person wants to go on their own idea I think it's totally wrong and only president should deal with foreign affairs or image and that stuff. In this case he didn't want them to go so they shouldn't go official. They can go unofficial like as a vacation that's cool. I think they shouldn't go and drop this and they are going too far away from what their job is unless for some reason rest of congress wants them to go as part of some official reason. I don't know anything about why they are wanting to go I admit
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Lol. What possible officially capacity do you belive exists that would require them to go to Israel? Just because they are in congress does not mean they have any foriegn relations interests or obligations.

As far as Isreal allowing them in because we give them money, we give almost every nation on the planet money. Are you saying that obligates sovereign nations to allow ANY electes US official into their country no matter what?
Not sure about Omar, but Tlaib has family in the West Bank.



Reporting is now that she (Tlaib) will be allowed in since she's publicly promised to not advocate boycotting Israel while she's there - which I think is reasonable all the way around.
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Not sure about Omar, but Tlaib has family in the West Bank.

They said Tlaib was approved to visit her family.

EDIT: Oops, Guess I got in before your final comment.
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Announced a bit ago, thalib said she’s not going to go now.
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Announced a bit ago, thalib said she’s not going to go now.
So who exactly is she spiting after crying about not being able to go see her grandmother? I guess grandma isn't as important as her trip with Omar
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So who exactly is she spiting after crying about not being able to go see her grandmother? I guess grandma isn't as important as her trip with Omar
Exactly, it’s all just politics. Granny’s in her 90’s as I understand and a good chance she won’t see her again, alive. She doesn’t care and this was all planned from the git go as a stunt.
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A politician grandstanding?!?!?! Say it ain't so!

It's a silly decision, IMO. The damage is already done - the statement is out there for all to see. Whatever floats her boat, though. I have never pretended to understand pols.
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A politician grandstanding?!?!?! Say it ain't so!

It's a silly decision, IMO. The damage is already done - the statement is out there for all to see. Whatever floats her boat, though. I have never pretended to understand pols.
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