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      11-27-2017, 10:32 AM   #287
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These Jimbo leaving FSU rumors for TAMU are becoming more worrisome.
I've read the same thing but don't understand why he would go to TAMU vs. staying at FSU or going to LSU last year. Is FSU in that bad of shape? Maybe he's letting the rumors circulate to get more money for himself, assistant coaches or facilities at FSU?

Surprised I haven't heard Les Miles' name pop up over the last few days. Did I miss something about him? I know he had some bad patches at LSU, but there are a lot of jobs out there and programs are down to look at Greg Schiano (or at least were as of yesterday afternoon).
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lol just when they thought a 4 team playoff was good enough
along comes this year!
we need an 8 team playoff.. it better captures the conference champs
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10 teams. Anyone can beat anyone on any given day.
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lol just when they thought a 4 team playoff was good enough
along comes this year!
we need an 8 team playoff.. it better captures the conference champs
I think 8 teams makes sense. The Power 5 conf champs auto in + 3 chosen among at large / runner ups, Independents and smaller conferences. Elevates meaning of conf championship but still has 3 spots available to resolve the inevitable but-this-conf-runner up-is-better-than-that-conf-winner debates. If you don't win your conference and still don't get selected for one of those 3 spots... too bad.
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I think 8 teams makes sense. The Power 5 conf champs auto in + 3 chosen among at large / runner ups, Independents and smaller conferences. Elevates meaning of conf championship but still has 3 spots available to resolve the inevitable but-this-conf-runner up-is-better-than-that-conf-winner debates. If you don't win your conference and still don't get selected for one of those 3 spots... too bad.
You know they always give the lame excuse that itll mean more games to play
1) they make more money
2) the players want to play more
3) let the NC be decided on the field not by a bunch of cinderella beauty contest judges
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I think 8 teams makes sense. The Power 5 conf champs auto in + 3 chosen among at large / runner ups, Independents and smaller conferences. Elevates meaning of conf championship but still has 3 spots available to resolve the inevitable but-this-conf-runner up-is-better-than-that-conf-winner debates. If you don't win your conference and still don't get selected for one of those 3 spots... too bad.
You know they always give the lame excuse that itll mean more games to play
1) they make more money
2) the players want to play more
3) let the NC be decided on the field not by a bunch of cinderella beauty contest judges
Either than or collapse 5 conferences into 4 and just let 4 conference champs slug it out. 4 team playoff for 5 conferences is bad math.
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These Jimbo leaving FSU rumors for TAMU are becoming more worrisome.
Dude..TAMU invested almost $1 billion into football facilities. Clemson is the sexy ACC team now. FSU needs to reinvent themselves to keep top recruits and coaches.
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lol just when they thought a 4 team playoff was good enough
along comes this year!
we need an 8 team playoff.. it better captures the conference champs
And then 10, and then 14, 16, when does it end? It's not everyone gets a trophy day. You want to ensure your spot? Don't lose.
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Tennessee is a dumpster fire of a football program. They allowed a mob moving on false information to affect an coaching decision made by major boosters and the AD.
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LOL at Herbstreit today trying say an Ohio St win over Wisconsin they should be in. He is such a homer.

Did he forget they got dominated at home by OU and got murdered by a 5 loss Iowa team? Honestly they are a couple plays away from 3 losses with that Penn St game that came down to final seconds.

Does he want to make the regular season meaningless. I’m sorry but a conf championship doesn’t erase a botched season. They simply didn’t play up to their potential.

With his logic a 2 loss USC should be in with a win over a ranked Stanford in championship game. At least their two losses are to ranked opponents.

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A four team playoff is just fine. Makes the season mean something.

Like said above, you want a spot...don’t lose.

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A 3 loss LSU isn’t in the top 25? They have a win over #2 Auburn. They are behind 4 loss teams and a 3 loss Fresno St. WTF?
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A 3 loss LSU isn’t in the top 25? They have a win over #2 Auburn. They are behind 4 loss teams and a 3 loss Fresno St. WTF?
They are # 17....
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They are # 17....
Completely missed that for some reason.
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LOL at Herbstreit today trying say an Ohio St win over Wisconsin they should be in. He is such a homer.

Did he forget they got dominated at home by OU and got murdered by a 5 loss Iowa team? Honestly they are a couple plays away from 3 losses with that Penn St game that came down to final seconds.

Does he want to make the regular season meaningless. I’m sorry but a conf championship doesn’t erase a botched season. They simply didn’t play up to their potential.

With his logic a 2 loss USC should be in with a win over a ranked Stanford in championship game. At least their two losses are to ranked opponents.
USC would have 2 wins over a ranked Stanford team.
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USC would have 2 wins over a ranked Stanford team.
But instead we are running for the roses . . .
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LOL at Herbstreit today trying say an Ohio St win over Wisconsin they should be in. He is such a homer.

Did he forget they got dominated at home by OU and got murdered by a 5 loss Iowa team? Honestly they are a couple plays away from 3 losses with that Penn St game that came down to final seconds.

Does he want to make the regular season meaningless. I’m sorry but a conf championship doesn’t erase a botched season. They simply didn’t play up to their potential.

With his logic a 2 loss USC should be in with a win over a ranked Stanford in championship game. At least their two losses are to ranked opponents.
The flaw with this logic:

1. You're simply comparing losses. The reality is, you balance the losses with the quality of wins and this year's committee especially has put more emphasis on the quality of wins.

Ohio State's quality wins are against a 2-loss Penn State, 3-loss Mich State, and if they win a 1-loss Wisconsin
Bama's quality wins are against a 3-loss LSU and a 4-loss Miss State. That's it.
USC's quality wins are against a 2-loss (or 3-loss) Stanford team, twice.

Then you add the aspect of a conference championship, and discount it against the quality of the losses.

2. The second flaw is, everyone compares Ohio State in a vacuum. That is you're comparing Ohio State against themselves and on a conceptual idea of "do they deserve it?". You have to compare Ohio State against the other contestants for the 4th spot.

When you look at Bama, USC, Georgia, Notre Dame, and Miami, Ohio State doesn't look so bad when you look at wins and losses.

3. There's the subjective eyeball test. It's akin to say, have UCF play Bama. You can't honestly say that the quality of play of UCF is comparable or better than Bama. It doesn't matter Bama is a 1-loss non-champion, Bama is clearly the better team. The committee has always put more weight on the final games of the season and the quality of those wins. That's why Ohio State got in back in 2014, they won and won big in all their final 4 games of conference play.

4. There's a flawed assumption that the committee is bound by ANY type of consistency across the years or within the same year. Sure, as pundits, we all want to use some base to make an opinion or estimate on the outcome, but the reality is, we created this committee to allow subjectivity back into the championship. If you hate subjectivity, then you just need a computer model. The computer model today (at least ESPN's) has Bama at #1 and Ohio State at #2.
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The flaw with this logic:

1. You're simply comparing losses. The reality is, you balance the losses with the quality of wins and this year's committee especially has put more emphasis on the quality of wins.

Ohio State's quality wins are against a 2-loss Penn State, 3-loss Mich State, and if they win a 1-loss Wisconsin
Bama's quality wins are against a 3-loss LSU and a 4-loss Miss State. That's it.
USC's quality wins are against a 2-loss (or 3-loss) Stanford team, twice.

Then you add the aspect of a conference championship, and discount it against the quality of the losses.

2. The second flaw is, everyone compares Ohio State in a vacuum. That is you're comparing Ohio State against themselves and on a conceptual idea of "do they deserve it?". You have to compare Ohio State against the other contestants for the 4th spot.

When you look at Bama, USC, Georgia, Notre Dame, and Miami, Ohio State doesn't look so bad when you look at wins and losses.

3. There's the subjective eyeball test. It's akin to say, have UCF play Bama. You can't honestly say that the quality of play of UCF is comparable or better than Bama. It doesn't matter Bama is a 1-loss non-champion, Bama is clearly the better team. The committee has always put more weight on the final games of the season and the quality of those wins. That's why Ohio State got in back in 2014, they won and won big in all their final 4 games of conference play.

4. There's a flawed assumption that the committee is bound by ANY type of consistency across the years or within the same year. Sure, as pundits, we all want to use some base to make an opinion or estimate on the outcome, but the reality is, we created this committee to allow subjectivity back into the championship. If you hate subjectivity, then you just need a computer model. The computer model today (at least ESPN's) has Bama at #1 and Ohio State at #2.
Great point but I think consistency is very important. Subjectivity cannot be weighed, so it should not weigh more on a scale.
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There is plenty of room for debate of OSU vs. Alabama IF OSU beats Wisconsin. Best case for both of them is for TCU and OSU to win.

I think ACC and SEC winners are in and losers are out, except maybe Clemson will join Bama/OSU debate if Miami manages to pull out a close win and both TCU and OSU win. USC is already out.
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There is plenty of room for debate of OSU vs. Alabama IF OSU beats Wisconsin. Best case for both of them is for TCU and OSU to win.

I think ACC and SEC winners are in and losers are out, except maybe Clemson will join Bama/OSU debate if Miami manages to pull out a close win and both TCU and OSU win. USC is already out.
Nah USC has a sliver of hope just like Miami.
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Nah USC has a sliver of hope just like Miami.
I don't think so. Miami has one loss and plays the #1 team on Saturday. Easy to see the Canes in with a win, so effectively they control their own destiny. (Expecting them win may be a little tougher for non-loyalists.) Hard to see any scenario where USC jumps up to get in if it beats Stanford again no matter what happens. Even if all current top 4 lose, there's still GA, MIA, OSU and Alabama, not to mention a 2-loss Clemson the committee seems to love and TCU that beat OK.
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I don't think so. Miami has one loss and plays the #1 team on Saturday. Easy to see the Canes in with a win, so effectively they control their own destiny. (Expecting them win may be a little tougher for non-loyalists.) Hard to see any scenario where USC jumps up to get in if it beats Stanford again no matter what happens. Even if all current top 4 lose, there's still GA, MIA, OSU and Alabama, not to mention a 2-loss Clemson the committee seems to love and TCU that beat OK.
I agree, USC is definitely not in favor and virtually have nothing to hang their hat on.

The nighmare situation for all other teams would be a Clemson loss. Bc Clemson would have the best quality win out of anyone. This is the only situation where I can see the committee putting 2 teams from the same conference in. Which means, Ohio State champion is out, and all others between 5-10 are all out.
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