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      10-24-2020, 02:05 AM   #67
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Do we know how wide the gap is? VER seems like he can beat BOT straight up on a semi regular basis. Why isn't it always 1-2 BOT/HAM every week? Why does HAM still outdrive BOT regularly in the same machinery?

Maybe has something to do with the guy behind the wheel, maybe?
Never said Hamilton isn't a spectacular driver. I'm not in the [majority] crew needing to shit on people to lift others up. These guys are all amazing...Except Latifi. I just can't get on board with him...

But, Bottas is faster than Hamilton on semi-regular(ish) basis, and we haven't seen anyone even close to Max's pace in a similar car. I'm not even a Verstappen fan so don't treat me like a fanatic.

And yes I know I'm referring to speed over overall skill, but total package is something that develops over more years. Look at Hamilton's early years - fast as lightning but making many more errors and appearing much more clumsy/overzealous in comparison to his current form.
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Bottas is faster than Hamilton on semi-regular(ish) basis,
Really?...Head to head over their races together in Mercs, its
Bottas 9 wins
Hamilton 38 wins
Bottas very rarely outpaces Hamilton by any metric.



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Hamilton has driven against and in the same team as some of the all time greats in the sport (Alonso) with inferior machinery and still beaten them. In almost every season he's competed in, he's competed for the world championships even when he's had a dogshit car. I'm sorry, but while Verstappen is an extremely promising young driver, and may come up to the same level as Hamilton, he isn't at that level yet.
Well said. Absolutely spot on!!
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Please update the record books to 97 pole positions, please. That will be all.
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Really?...Head to head over their races together in Mercs, its
Bottas 9 wins
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Bottas very rarely outpaces Hamilton by any metric.







Is, "Game. Set. And Match." more appropriate than a, "Mic Drop", in this situation? I'm not certain which would be preferred.
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Is, "Game. Set. And Match." more appropriate than a, "Mic Drop", in this situation? I'm not certain which would be preferred.
Not so fast there bud. Look at the qualifying head to head in 2018 for raw speed comparison (their final year together)... Red Bull probably have Ricc crap engines or something though. To be fair I think Ricc could have a chance against Ham as well.

Also, I don't see how ~1 win out of every three races for Bottas can't be interpreted as "semi-regular".

You guys are so extreme with your views, and it's almost like you feel you're winning with him or something lol. I'm not saying Hamilton isn't the fastest/best. I'm just saying we can't be sure. I would love to see him wrap up his 8th with ease next year, and then work a deal with Sainz to move over to Ferrari. Then, man, we would all have a hell of a season to watch and nobody could ever question Hamilton, especially if he dominated Leclerc.
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Not so fast there bud. Look at the qualifying head to head in 2018 for raw speed comparison (their final year together)... Red Bull probably have Ricc crap engines or something though. To be fair I think Ricc could have a chance against Ham as well.

Also, I don't see how ~1 win out of every three races for Bottas can't be interpreted as "semi-regular".

You guys are so extreme with your views, and it's almost like you feel you're winning with him or something lol. I'm not saying Hamilton isn't the fastest/best. I'm just saying we can't be sure. I would love to see him wrap up his 8th with ease next year, and then work a deal with Sainz to move over to Ferrari. Then, man, we would all have a hell of a season to watch and nobody could ever question Hamilton, especially if he dominated Leclerc.
HAM already went up against, and beat ALO, BUT (2 of 3), and ROS (2 of 3). He is 5 and 2 against other WDCs in the same vehicle. If there is another driver who has such a record, please inform me...I can't think of one.

And that is 1 of every 5 races or 20 percent. This is occasionally. And the stats aren't telling the true story. HAM blanked BOT one year. The stats are flattering to deceive.
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HAM already went up against, and beat ALO, BUT (2 of 3), and ROS (2 of 3). He is 5 and 2 against other WDCs in the same vehicle. If there is another driver who has such a record, please inform me...I can't think of one.

And that is 1 of every 5 races or 20 percent. This is occasionally. And the stats aren't telling the true story. HAM blanked BOT one year. The stats are flattering to deceive.
I'm not really trying to argue past stats here. You guys just love to drag it into a battle of incomparable stats. There is no overlap in who they've gone up against head to head. The simple fact is the result of who would win in the same car, between Max and Lewis, is uncertain.

And sorry meant ~1 of four. 9/38 is closer to 1/4
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I'm not really trying to argue past stats here. You guys just love to drag it into a battle of incomparable stats. There is no overlap in who they've gone up against head to head. The simple fact is the result of who would win in the same car, between Max and Lewis, is uncertain.

And sorry meant ~1 of four. 9/38 is closer to 1/4
Not splitting hairs but 9 of 47 is 1 of 5.22.

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Not splitting hairs but 9 of 47 is 1 of 5.22.

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Ah fair enough. Thought your teammate said 9 out of 38. Not sharp on my stat battle obviously.

Bottas is doin a little better this season though ay? He's really been Lewis's least remarkable teammate it seems.
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I'm not really trying to argue past stats here. You guys just love to drag it into a battle of incomparable stats. There is no overlap in who they've gone up against head to head. The simple fact is the result of who would win in the same car, between Max and Lewis, is uncertain.

And sorry meant ~1 of four. 9/38 is closer to 1/4
As I said already 100 times . To know who is the best : Equal machinery is required !

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Ah fair enough. Thought your teammate said 9 out of 38. Not sharp on my stat battle obviously.
Bottas is doin a little better this season though ay? He's really been Lewis's least remarkable teammate it seems.
No one said 9 out of 38.
And out of those 9 wins how many were down to some mishap happening to Hamiltons race.
I'm struggling to recall if Bottas ever overtook Hamilton on track to win a race [1].
This is not about bigging up Hamilton its about starting with the facts and then making a valid point.
Not just making up stuff.

[1] There probably are one or two (not including the drag from the start to the first corner) I just can't remember any.

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No one said 9 out of 38.
And out of those 9 wins how many were down to some mishap happening to Hamiltons race.
I'm struggling to recall if Bottas ever overtook Hamilton on track to win a race [1].
This is not about bigging up Hamilton its about starting with the facts and then making a valid point.
Not just making up stuff.

[1] There probably are one or two (not including the drag from the start to the first corner) I just can't remember any.
Yep we've got that one figured out, but thanks for reiterating...

No point in arguing about Bottas though. Nobody actually thinks he stands a chance against Hamilton whether he wins infrequently, somewhat infrequently, once in a while, sometimes, semi-regularly, etc., blah blah. He's not on the same level.
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Not so fast there bud. Look at the qualifying head to head in 2018 for raw speed comparison (their final year together)... Red Bull probably have Ricc crap engines or something though. To be fair I think Ricc could have a chance against Ham as well.

Also, I don't see how ~1 win out of every three races for Bottas can't be interpreted as "semi-regular".

You guys are so extreme with your views, and it's almost like you feel you're winning with him or something lol. I'm not saying Hamilton isn't the fastest/best. I'm just saying we can't be sure. I would love to see him wrap up his 8th with ease next year, and then work a deal with Sainz to move over to Ferrari. Then, man, we would all have a hell of a season to watch and nobody could ever question Hamilton, especially if he dominated Leclerc.
I posted this sentiment in another thread with a likely misinterpreted “this is the worst part of sports” and am thrilled to see you say it as well. It needs to be said more often. The only thing gained from armchair quarterbacking and picking a player/team and calling it your own is some sense of thrill for making the right choice. It confuses me and quite honestly has kept me out of the senseless world of sports. I have found myself enamored with f1 for the better part of theee years, but I will not succumb to the primitive debates of who’s better.

Statistically it’s Ham btw, America just loves underdogs, as do many others in the world. I’m NOT a fan of Hamilton and don’t think we’d agree on much.
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Swap Cars ?

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BOOM !!!

Will never happen because HAM just laughed with a chicken smile !!!

If HAM has b@lls and IF he is the GOAT. HE MUST DO IT !!!

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This is easily the most sadly desperate thing I've seen in 45 years of watching Formula One. Get your own car right and quit worrying about the competition. If he worked as hard with his team as he does on bitching about HAM, they'd be 2 seconds ahead of the field. Unreal!!!

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