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The 4 is a coupe. Anything not an SUV or crossover is dying, so it's going to take some work to figure out how BMW is doing here given the fact that it is a shrinking niche showing year-over-year decline across the industry.
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It is impossible to judge these figures without knowing the global market situation.
If Bmw's sales drop by 20% but the market scores -25%, Bmw is gaining market share, otherwise it is a real drop. But if it is the whole market that is falling, it means that it is not a specific brand/product problem. |
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Wow the disparity of the comments in the thread make that old saying so true… you can make statistics say anything you want…. especially when the stats don't encompass a full view of what's going on.
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That doesn't appear to be hurting the X model SUV sales which are all up. BMW is making such great SUV models that I think that's eating some of the sedan and coupe sales away.
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Sales figures look decent compared to others. I still am not a fan of the newer designs but audi and Lexus have also gone with the big grills etc. I think that BMW has gotten older like most of its owners. I find younger people are not so excited about the brand nor cars in general so we will see what the future brings.
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Several factors that have contributed to these dismal sales numbers across the entire board except for X5 & X7.
1. Many people buying out their leases and holding, rather than leasing a new car. This is due to lease MF and residuals no longer being favorable. 2. Many converting to EV due to cost of gas 3. Pandemic causing supply chain issues and lack or product availability 4. Dealership tactics/behavior with obscene and ridiculous ADM's I'm sure there are other specific issues, these are just some of the most common. I'm not surprised by these numbers, but I also think things will begin to trend in the positive direction once inventory issues subside.
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Year to date 2021 NA 4 series sold= 12,533 Makes sense. People getting used to the design, some hate it, love it, who knows. Plus, the 3 series is more popular. If its anything like the order bank lists for the M3/M4, 3 to 1 seems to make sense. But what happened YTD 2022??? Year to date 2022 NA 3 series sold=14,330 Year to date 2022 NA 4 series sold=14,025 That is an almost a 40 percent decrease in 3 series sold and a 12 percent increase in 4 series sold. Am I looking at this incorrectly? I give a literal fuck about wars and supply chain covid bullshit. These are numbers. They show that the 4 series increased in sales. So what are you looking at or seeing that I am not?
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Good point. I figured the 4er GC but didn't think about the i4. I guess we really will not know the grille impact until the 2022 year end numbers are in. Regardless, the i4 and GC both have the updated grille. I did not expect the numbers to be so close.
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Usually the last year of production of a model is the one in which sales are lowest (this is the case with the 3-series), many people preferred to wait for the LCI instead of buying an "older" car. I expect a strong increase in sales in 2023 for the 3-Series LCI.
In any case, in my opinion the pre-LCI G20 is much better looking than the LCI both in terms of aesthetics and interior, and since there are no significant mechanical improvements, the 'old' one is a better buy and I don't see a reason to get the new one, but that's just me |
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My experience and what I see at meets, talking to young car gen, and seeing what these younger folks do with the BMWs, is otherwise.
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You hold your breath marketing genius. I will let you know when I am done.
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Edit: As context, current forecast for new car sales this year is 15.3M. 2015 - 2019 were all 17M+ units. Last edited by TheStanman; 07-04-2022 at 06:43 PM.. |
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