Future BMW model information

[bimmerbenz65]

Is the F36 EOP still 6/2021? It has been completely removed from BMWUSA.com, both from model section and build your own section.

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by bimmerbenz65

Is the F36 EOP still 6/2021? It has been completely removed from BMWUSA.com, both from model section and build your own section.

It's still sold elsewhere.

[12nine]

Originally Posted by jstein55

I'm very curious as to what the size of the iX/iNext is. In some of the shots it looks big, but in others it looks somewhat smaller and low to the ground. I was thinking this would likely be mid-sized?

Guess: Lies a bit lower than a G05, a bit wider and nearly the same length.

[rak299]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

No, there is no indication that will happen.



No, the convertible is AWD / AT only.

This is where I read about the gran coupe. If It says in on the internet, it must be true
https://carbuzz.com/news/confirmed-b...e-is-happening

[mbanck]

Originally Posted by rak299

This is where I read about the gran coupe. If It says in on the internet, it must be true
https://carbuzz.com/news/confirmed-b...e-is-happening

There haven't been any mule sightings of an M4 GC so far, so I really doubt at least the mid-2021 timeline they are claiming.

I mean, the Touring is doing track testing now, and won't arrive till 2022.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by mbanck

There haven't been any mule sightings of an M4 GC so far, so I really doubt at least the mid-2021 timeline they are claiming.

I mean, the Touring is doing track testing now, and won't arrive till 2022.

Yep, that's why we can treat the carbuzz story as fan fiction.

The general rule for adding a body style is that if it doesn't happen by the LCI, it won't happen at all. The G81 is testing now for release at G20/G21/G80 LCI time. Could a G86 technically start testing as late as next year for release at G22/G23/G26/G82/G83 LCI time? Yes, but there's not a single hint yet that it will. The G81 snuck up on us though, so a G86 could theoretically do the same. Don't bet on it, but maybe say a few words to car gods if you wish for this M4 Gran Coupe to be more than some auto journo's click-bait.

[xlover]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

Yep, that's why we can treat the carbuzz story as fan fiction.

The general rule for adding a body style is that if it doesn't happen by the LCI, it won't happen at all. The G81 is testing now for release at G20/G21/G80 LCI time. Could a G86 technically start testing as late as next year for release at G22/G23/G26/G82/G83 LCI time? Yes, but there's not a single hint yet that it will. The G81 snuck up on us though, so a G86 could theoretically do the same. Don't bet on it, but maybe say a few words to car gods if you wish for this M4 Gran Coupe to be more than some auto journo's click-bait.

What's interesting is I believe there was an i4 M spy shot of the car out and about that had those fender wideners denoting a slightly wide track and M mirrors. We have heard that the i4M was to be M performance level not full M but I wonder if it might possibly be getting something closer to the full M treatment and fill the lineup slot for an M4 gran coupe. Bmw usually doesn't do that extensive of modifications for the m performance level. With 523hp it's going to be brutally fast, so I can definitely see that car occupying yet another middle ground between the m performance and full M. Maybe they even sneak in full M branding even if it remains a few ticks behind the M3/M4 in dynamics

[rak299]

The carbuzz story also said "manual transmission", and my first reaction was "unlikely". In reality, I would choose anything with a manual. If there were no manual anywhere, I would keep my 340 until they had to bury me in it.

[Calelujah]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

I expect to know more about i4 within a month or so.

Have you heard anything more new on the i4?

Also according to this source, the iX will be revealed (i)next November 11th. Do you know if that is true?

https://electricvehicleweb.in/bmw-in...mming-windows/

[mbanck]

(you typoed/copy-pastoed "November" as a second "September" in the top post)

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by mbanck

(you typoed/copy-pastoed "November" as a second "September" in the top post)

Oops. Thanks!

[ynguldyn]

Details about M5 CS and iX1, Alpina B8 production date.

https://g80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=901686

[ynguldyn]

I never did this before, but this time around I'd like to take a victory lap for the iX. It's been the toughest one in more than seven years of my "hobby" to gather good information about, and I'm happy I didn't let you all down.

[JorgenM]

Now that we've seen the high tech iX, when can we expect to see the more sporty i4 being fully unveiled? February/March?

[uuni]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

I never did this before, but this time around I'd like to take a victory lap for the iX. It's been the toughest one in more than seven years of my "hobby" to gather good information about, and I'm happy I didn't let you all down.

you are a legend, thank you for your work.

[12nine]

Do you have more informations on the new cluster architecture, which
Zipse mentioned? Or the cars related to it?

[MPSdriver]

On a more general note, looking at all the information available to me I can't shake the feeling that we're at the end of active development of internal combustion engines, at least for mass market vehicles. There will of course be some advances and improvements but even the future generations of BMW vehicles (right now I'm looking specifically at the new transverse platform, the Minis and the 1-series) are going to use the same well known engines we see in various models today.

So what you're saying is there is no evidence of e.g. a B48 successor? I would have expected some noise about this already and I was wanting to ask about it sooner but now I've got my answer

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by 12nine

Do you have more informations on the new cluster architecture, which
Zipse mentioned? Or the cars related to it?

My understanding is that this is the evolved CLAR matrix we’ve been hearing about in the media for some time now. It will underpin essentially every new BMW from the 3 Series and above starting with the iX, followed by the G70 7 Series, G60 5 Series, and the rest of the upcoming generation. Every product family will be available with electric drive options.

Originally Posted by MPSdriver

So what you're saying is there is no evidence of e.g. a B48 successor? I would have expected some noise about this already and I was wanting to ask about it sooner but now I've got my answer

BMW officials have said in the recent past that the current engine lineup is the very last. There will be continued electrification in the form of both mild hybrid and PHEV setups. But don’t expect any wholly new engines.

In fact, some engines may soon be phased out. For example, there are signs that the N63 won’t be around long enough to be hybridized. Instead, the upcoming electrified S63 (which will get a name change to S68) could be the only V8 for the next generation, while everything below might be a B58 (or perhaps S58) hybrid. This is not yet confirmed, however.

[uuni]

Daimler has stopped development of ICE engines, so will BMW and all other normal car makers (at least soon). Only supercar manufactures will continue with ICE.

[mbanck]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

My understanding is that this is the evolved CLAR matrix we’ve been hearing about in the media for some time now. It will underpin essentially every new BMW from the 3 Series and above starting with the iX, followed by the G70 7 Series, G60 5 Series, and the rest of the upcoming generation. Every product family will be available with electric drive options.

I think it's still unclear what platform the iX will exactly be on, but recent car press has either directly quoted or claimed the iX will be on a bespoke platform, albeit one quite similar to CLAR, e.g. https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/n...ctric-flagship

Weber said the platform is described by Weber a “totally new development”, though he says it is “highly compatible” with the CLAR platform used for the likes of the 3 Series and X5, suggesting key elements of its engineering will be used by other new BMW i sub-brand models in the future. This shared chassis componentry is key to allowing BMW to produce the iX alongside the 5, 6, 7 and 8 Series at its Dingolfing factory in Germany.

or https://www.electrive.com/2020/11/11...gship-gallery/

The iX does not utilise the CLAR platform (e.g. 4-series/i4) either, which allows multiple drive types. So, the BMW iX will remain a one-off on its all-electric platform since BMW will introduce a series of various electric vehicles from 2025 on the said new platform.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by mbanck

I think it's still unclear what platform the iX will exactly be on, but recent car press has either directly quoted or claimed the iX will be on a bespoke platform, albeit one quite similar to CLAR, e.g. https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/n...ctric-flagship

or https://www.electrive.com/2020/11/11...gship-gallery/

IMHO, those sources are muddying the waters at best and should not garner high levels of trust. Zipse has spoken recently about a “new cluster architecture” whereas I haven’t seen any details from Zipse or BMW about an additional unique platform underpinning the iX and other upcoming EVs.

My strong suspicion is iX sits on this newly evolved CLAR variant, and that this will be the case for all new BMW products (above the 1 and 2 families) for the foreseeable future. This is consistent with BMW’s oft stated strategy of using one platform for everything. Furthermore, if/when this changes, we’ll hear endless hyperbole about a new EV only architecture that will be an obvious departure from legacy ones.

[BMWGirlFL]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

IMHO, those sources are muddying the waters at best and should not garner high levels of trust. Zipse has spoken recently about a “new cluster architecture” whereas I haven’t seen any details from Zipse or BMW about an additional unique platform underpinning the iX and other upcoming EVs.

My strong suspicion is iX sits on this newly evolved CLAR variant, and that this will be the case for all new BMW products (above the 1 and 2 families) for the foreseeable future. This is consistent with BMW’s oft stated strategy of using one platform for everything. Furthermore, if/when this changes, we’ll hear endless hyperbole about a new EV only architecture that will be an obvious departure from legacy ones.

Originally Posted by Jason

The BMW iX is the first model based on a new, modular, scalable architecture on which the future of the BMW Group will be built.

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