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      02-16-2021, 11:26 AM   #23
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the lap time is with Cup 2R tires. These are better tires than the last GT3 and RS got.
Interesting point, is they are now using a 20.8km length timing loop.

Porsche said using the old 20.6km loop, they did a 6:55.2.

17.5sec faster than outgoing GT3

1.2sec faster than RS. The RS was also done on the Cup 2 R tires(wider tires as well).
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It kinda looks like a TurboS. I dunno, not feeling, like at all. Would legit take a 991.2 GT3 over this. It just looks huge, more Gran Tourer like. Video below is awesome though.

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Interesting point, is they are now using a 20.8km length timing loop.

Porsche said using the old 20.6km loop, they did a 6:55.2.

17.5sec faster than outgoing GT3

1.2sec faster than RS. The RS was also done on the Cup 2 R tires(wider tires as well).
Was just about to post just this. Given the fact that no changes were made to power, this is an insane achievement over the previous car. Most any other maker would need to make materially big changes along with massive power and torque gains for a reduction in lap time like this.
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not super impressed.

the lap time is with Cup 2R tires. These are better tires than the last GT3 and RS got.
straight line performance is the same
weight is the same
some improvements to aero and suspension
the carbon buckets are the same
looks arguably worse (bumper and swan neck wing)

From car and driver:



i was expecting more. i'll keep my 991.2 for now. If someone is in the market for a gt3 though i'd recommend they get a new one and spec it how they want. although be prepared to pay the dealer markup. i'm sure with good specs these will be near or over 200k.
I wasnt since the car has grown..How much more can be expected though for street use? These cars are meant for track and id suspect that the differences will be felt if used as its limits. Yes they are fun to drive on the street, but they are not street cars in any way, so just the fact that they offer such a car is great. We all know its the ultimate status symbol for most owners.

Anyone who really wants one and has the cash will be able to buy one, i can guarantee the inital owners will flip them on auction within months if not immediately. Cant wait to drive it!
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Yeah I don't get the "i expected more" thing. It's a smallish NA motor, what more do you want than 500 natural HP? That's what the GT2 is for and I would legit take a GT3 over a GT2 assuming I could not sell either. Who needs 800hp for the track or the road? 500 is shit tons.
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500?!! Heck, give me 300hp + 2812lbs body as in the 993RS and lets call it a day!!

I think with the 992 getting so big and so much noise about the size growth that perhaps this will be the upper limit and they’ll start rethinking next model parameters as its as big as it needs to ever be.
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Interesting point, is they are now using a 20.8km length timing loop.

Porsche said using the old 20.6km loop, they did a 6:55.2.

17.5sec faster than outgoing GT3

1.2sec faster than RS. The RS was also done on the Cup 2 R tires(wider tires as well).
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Was just about to post just this. Given the fact that no changes were made to power, this is an insane achievement over the previous car. Most any other maker would need to make materially big changes along with massive power and torque gains for a reduction in lap time like this.
The new double wishbone front suspension and aero are major changes for achieving this time.

I was watching Henry Catchpoles Carfection video. He said the time he got to ride in the prototype, he could tell the lateral grip was up immensely due to that new front suspension.
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No doubt this car will be the benchmark, and it's always great to see Porsche still listening to their fans and providing a manual. But...

I can't say I'm a fan of the nostrils. I know GT3's are supposed to look like race cars, but this looks closer to an RS than a base one. To some people, this is a good thing, but give me a clean 997.1 GT3 (base) all day long. That was the perfect blend of race car + street car IMO.
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Yeah I don't get the "i expected more" thing. It's a smallish NA motor, what more do you want than 500 natural HP? That's what the GT2 is for and I would legit take a GT3 over a GT2 assuming I could not sell either. Who needs 800hp for the track or the road? 500 is shit tons.
from 997.2 to 991.1 the car got a 40hp bump and a higher redline. despite keeping the engine at 3.8 liters. I was expecting porsche to do something similar, or at least drop the weight significantly. I know its super critical, the 991.2 is already over 100hp per liter. Early on i was hoping for maybe an increase engine size of 4.2 liters or maybe they would finally realize they were at the limit of the 6 and try a flat-8 or something crazy putting out 550hp+. i know... with the modern regulations and stuff this is a fantasy.

I just feel they are turning the regular street GT3 into more of an RS (focusing on the aero improvements more than anything)... downforce that you won't experience on the street. Curious to see how compliant the new suspension is, the current RS is very stiff while the GT3 is still livable. Lots of guys DD their touring. The 2R tire is already less of a DD friendly tire than the cup 2.

as far as the double wishbone. My old 458 and GTR had double wishbone fronts. My current GT3 never left me thinking... damn this front turn in sucks / lacks feel
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      02-16-2021, 12:49 PM   #35
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from 997.2 to 991.1 the car got a 40hp bump and a higher redline. despite keeping the engine at 3.8 liters. I was expecting porsche to do something similar, or at least drop the weight significantly. I know its super critical, the 991.2 is already over 100hp per liter. Early on i was hoping for maybe an increase engine size of 4.2 liters or maybe they would finally realize they were at the limit of the 6 and try a flat-8 or something crazy putting out 550hp+. i know... with the modern regulations and stuff this is a fantasy.

I just feel they are turning the regular street GT3 into more of an RS (focusing on the aero improvements more than anything)... downforce that you won't experience on the street. Curious to see how compliant the new suspension is, the current RS is very stiff while the GT3 is still livable. Lots of guys DD their touring. The 2R tire is already less of a DD friendly tire than the cup 2.

as far as the double wishbone. My old 458 and GTR had double wishbone fronts. My current GT3 never left me thinking... damn this front turn in sucks / lacks feel
You are missing the point of focus on the 992 and that was the front suspension which is a HUGE change and will provide even faster turn in, more stability and increased grip. All this is evidenced by the remarkable Ring time vs 991.2.

The car does 0-60 in 3.2sec with NA motor and revs out to 9k RPM - what more do you want lol? This 4.0 engine was Brand New for the 991.2 GT3. They improved every aspect of the car.

GT3 has always been a track car first that you can drive on the street. It was never intended to be a street / GT car that can also be tracked.
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Yeah sorry i still don't get it, 500HP is TONS, i cannot fathom what 550Hp does that 500HP doesn't given the intended use of the car and the "spirit" of the car.

I feel some folk are more caught up in the numbers than they need to be.
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as far as the double wishbone. My old 458 and GTR had double wishbone fronts. My current GT3 never left me thinking... damn this front turn in sucks / lacks feel
Henry Catchpole said you could definitely feel the enormous gains in the corners. The new suspension also felt more compliant that the 991 GT3.
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You are missing the point of focus on the 992 and that was the front suspension which is a HUGE change and will provide even faster turn in, more stability and increased grip. All this is evidenced by the remarkable Ring time vs 991.2.

The car does 0-60 in 3.2sec with NA motor and revs out to 9k RPM - what more do you want lol? This 4.0 engine was Brand New for the 991.2 GT3. They improved every aspect of the car.

GT3 has always been a track car first that you can drive on the street. It was never intended to be a street / GT car that can also be tracked.
its running the same time as the outgoing RS. same power, same weight, similar aero... maybe even better front aero thanks to the nostrils. a few seconds on a 7 minute track is not that big of a deal to me.

as for street car vs track car... The GT3 is the streetable version. The RS is the track car. Chris Harris daily drives a touring (wingless GT3) as well as many other people. the RS has very stiff suspension by comparison.

the demand is also there for the street car. Tourings are getting 15-30k over msrp on resale. GT3RS are going for 30k below sticker now.
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its running the same time as the outgoing RS. same power, same weight, similar aero... maybe even better front aero thanks to the nostrils. a few seconds on a 7 minute track is not that big of a deal to me.

as for street car vs track car... The GT3 is the streetable version. The RS is the track car. Chris Harris daily drives a touring (wingless GT3) as well as many other people. the RS has very stiff suspension by comparison.

the demand is also there for the street car. Tourings are getting 15-30k over msrp on resale. GT3RS are going for 30k below sticker now.
The Touring is just more rare and harder to get hence the higher price.
Nobody dailys these cars - let’s be real here. This is somebody’s 3rd to 10th car. Taking it to work on Friday- doesn’t mean its a daily. Chris Harris has a job which involves driving cars so for him it may make sense lol.

17sec improvement with same power is not impressive to you lol? Yes its a long track but that is significant difference!
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Law beat me to it.

I'm surprised no one else is really saying it. We have a high-rev, NA, 6MT still being produced in 2021. That is something to rejoice. So thrilled that Porsche is continuing this philosophy for the "driver's car spec"

The front end and swan neck will take some getting used to. I still think the 991 GT3 is the most beautiful Porsche IMO. Would love to add a GT3 to the stable one day.
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Markup will be 50-60K over MSRP for the GT3.
I think this is pretty far off. $15k-$20k will be closer to average IMO.

Most 991.2s were going for $15k over and I think the market is a bit softer now. Plus a used 991.1 was not as attractive to a 991.2 buyer but a used 991.2 will be fairly attractive to a 992 buyer, especially when you can get a 991.2 GT3 RS for below sticker now. A lot of people will question paying a huge markup on the 992 when they can get the 991.2 RS at a discount.

Personally I think the car has the right amount of incremental improvements to make it it a "new", objectively superior car but not enough to make me jump from a 991.2.
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I like that Porsche is still using the NA engine. The looks are more driven by aero and function rather than beauty. Still a very capable car that will perform well above it's "weight" and HP.

Alas, I will stick with my 991.2 C2 with a manual. I need and use the back seats quite often for the family. The closest you can get to this car with four seats is a GTS and then it's the same engine as the base car with larger turbos. No GT cars offer back seats nor is it possible to retrofit back seats like the 997 cars. The GT cars actually use a different tub that doesn't have the mounting points for the seats or seat belts in the back.
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