New 2009 2010 BMW Z4 - ZPOST
BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read


Go Back   New 2009 2010 BMW Z4 - ZPOST > BIMMERPOST Universal Forums > General Automotive (non-BMW) Talk + Photos/Videos

Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      11-19-2020, 10:02 PM   #45
supra93
Colonel
United_States
1794
Rep
2,087
Posts

Drives: CLK, E500, Supra, RX7
Join Date: Sep 2016
Location: LA

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Vivek. View Post
Exterior looks like a mid-cycle refresh, not a new car. Did the door skins change at all? Can't really say it looks more modern than the original one does today. Digital cluster gives useful info but doesn't really look good, with any luck there will be ways to update the look electronically.
Take another look at post #20. Every panel has been reworked with maybe the exception of the A pillars.

Subaru made more changes then Porsche did with the 981 to 982, but somehow the latter always seems to get a free pass.









Last edited by supra93; 11-19-2020 at 10:11 PM..
Appreciate 0
      11-19-2020, 10:05 PM   #46
stein_325i
Ring Leader of G8X Haters
stein_325i's Avatar
United_States
13982
Rep
6,369
Posts

Drives: BMW/Mercedes-Benz
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: Maryland

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by supra93 View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vivek. View Post
Exterior looks like a mid-cycle refresh, not a new car. Did the door skins change at all? Can't really say it looks more modern than the original one does today. Digital cluster gives useful info but doesn't really look good, with any luck there will be ways to update the look electronically.
Take another look at post #20. Every panel has been reworked with maybe the except of the A pillars.

Subaru made more changes then Porsche did with the 981 to 982, but somehow the latter always seems to get a free pass.
I think people are expecting too much out of a car that costs under $30k. At the end of the day, for an enthusiast on a budget, its a great vehicle.
__________________
Daily: 2019 Mercedes-Benz CLS 53 Weekend: 2008 BMW Z4 M Wife's: 2020 Mercedes-Benz GLC 300
Retired:1995 E36 325i 5MT / 2004 E46 330i 6MT / 2011 E90 335xi / 2017 G30 540i / 2017 982 Boxster S 6MT / 2019 F87 M2C 6MT
Appreciate 4
supra931794.00
paliknight2128.50
Alfisti2116.50
      11-19-2020, 10:29 PM   #47
supra93
Colonel
United_States
1794
Rep
2,087
Posts

Drives: CLK, E500, Supra, RX7
Join Date: Sep 2016
Location: LA

iTrader: (0)

I know it can be hard to tell at first especially because it's an evolution of the first gen, but if you take enough time you will spot the differences.

At first a lot of people thought the roof and doors were carried over, but look closely and you will see that the body lines/creases have been smoothen down (roof) or completely taken away (top section of the door).

Just by looking at the pics I think the only items that were carried over are the windshield, door glass, A pillars, door handles, exhaust tips and shark fin antenna.
Appreciate 1
stein_325i13981.50
      11-20-2020, 01:35 AM   #48
Vivek.
Major
953
Rep
1,101
Posts

Drives: 335is coupe, e30 vert
Join Date: Aug 2020
Location: Los Gatos, California

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by supra93 View Post
Take another look at post #20. Every panel has been reworked with maybe the exception of the A pillars.

Subaru made more changes then Porsche did with the 981 to 982, but somehow the latter always seems to get a free pass.
I see that now in #20. Not sure if I'm a fan of removing the body lines like that, though.

Frankly--I'd make the same comment about the 982
Appreciate 0
      11-20-2020, 09:28 AM   #49
freakystyly
Captain
446
Rep
637
Posts

Drives: E90 330i 6MT, F22 240i 6MT
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Ontario

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2006 BMW 330i  [0.00]
Just noticed, what's going on with the top of the rear fender? There's a strange wrinkle that carries over to the rear bumper panel.. looks odd.
Appreciate 0
      11-20-2020, 09:34 AM   #50
OkieSnuffBox
Lieutenant
421
Rep
528
Posts

Drives: '13 135i
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: OKC, OK

iTrader: (0)

I'm not sold on the front end or the gauge cluster, but depending on the specs of the new STi.........I'll probably pick one up early 2022. I think it will look great lowered over a set of TWS T-66Fs.

If the engine responds to mods like the first gen (loved my '15 BRZ and regret getting rid of it), a header and E85 should bump the 228 up to near 260. The 13.5:1 comp should really be able to take advantage of E85, the FA20 was 12.5:1.

The first gen was ridiculously easy to pull 100-150 lbs out without doing anything that impacted DD-ability. Lightweight battery, wheels, front brakes, rear seat delete was good for around 90 lbs on the first gen.
Appreciate 0
      11-20-2020, 11:42 AM   #51
supra93
Colonel
United_States
1794
Rep
2,087
Posts

Drives: CLK, E500, Supra, RX7
Join Date: Sep 2016
Location: LA

iTrader: (0)

A quick overlay from FT86Club.

Appreciate 0
      11-20-2020, 01:16 PM   #52
R N M
Major
R N M's Avatar
1885
Rep
1,269
Posts

Drives: F80 M3
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: NYC

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2016 BMW M3  [0.00]
The new car is not a uniform design like the original. They took styling cues from different vehicles - RCF side, Civic/NSX tails, Porsche/Mazda front.

It does looks much better on videos posted by Youtubers from the Thermal launch event rather than Subaru press pics.
Looking forward to seeing the Toyota 86 version as it may have a better looking front.

So far I like the new Nissan Z400 design over this BRZ and the Supra.
Appreciate 0
      11-20-2020, 01:23 PM   #53
R N M
Major
R N M's Avatar
1885
Rep
1,269
Posts

Drives: F80 M3
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: NYC

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2016 BMW M3  [0.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox View Post
If the engine responds to mods like the first gen (loved my '15 BRZ and regret getting rid of it), a header and E85 should bump the 228 up to near 260. The 13.5:1 comp should really be able to take advantage of E85, the FA20 was 12.5:1.
I sold my SeriesBlue recently - the engine is just tiring after awhile but rest of the car is perfect.
I agree headers and a tune would help to get another 20-30hp and further improve low end torque.

The big bright spot on the new one is max torque is now at 3-4k compared to over 6k on old one. It should feel much faster. The engine also sounds very good in some of the vids i saw but that maybe fake noise inside.

I will be very tempted if they release an STI version.
Appreciate 0
      11-20-2020, 01:43 PM   #54
FrostyDC4
Second Lieutenant
United_States
69
Rep
299
Posts

Drives: 2012 135i M-7DCT|Nissan Z Car
Join Date: Nov 2016
Location: Scottsdale / Gilbert AZ

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2007 Nissan 350Z  [0.00]
2012 BMW 135i  [0.00]
I really dig it


Hopefully there is some headroom for gains with bolt-on power mods although I doubt this with that sky-high compression ratio.
__________________
2012 135 Vermilion Red: DCT, M Sport, PPK 1 & 2

Appreciate 0
      11-20-2020, 01:45 PM   #55
XutvJet
Brigadier General
3522
Rep
4,289
Posts

Drives: 2016 M235 6MT
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Kansas City

iTrader: (-1)

I like this a lot. I also like the interior because it IS a throw back to the simplicity of 1990s design. The interior will age well compared to most other cars on the market. The exterior is refined and clean by today's standards. It looks like the child of a BRZ and Lexus ISF. I love the ISF.

With a very slight drop and meatier tires and slightly concave wheels, this car will look properly sexy like an M2.

The acceleration numbers should improve fairly significantly because of the large increase in torque and top end HP, while not adding any weight. Hopefully Subaru fixed the torque valley issues in the mid range.

The prior gen BRZ 6MT was 14.6-14.8@95-96mph car. The 2nd gen BRZ should in the lower 14s@98-100mph. Plenty fun of on the streets and for amateur racing where you want to keep expendable costs low. Essentially the hardtop option to a Miata and those wanting a bit more interior space. I don't understand Subaru's resistance to not use the FA20 turbo motor though.
__________________
The forest was shrinking, but the Trees kept voting for the Axe, for the Axe was clever and convinced the Trees that because his handle was made of wood, he was one of them.
Appreciate 0
      11-20-2020, 01:45 PM   #56
FrostyDC4
Second Lieutenant
United_States
69
Rep
299
Posts

Drives: 2012 135i M-7DCT|Nissan Z Car
Join Date: Nov 2016
Location: Scottsdale / Gilbert AZ

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2007 Nissan 350Z  [0.00]
2012 BMW 135i  [0.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox View Post
I'm not sold on the front end or the gauge cluster, but depending on the specs of the new STi.........I'll probably pick one up early 2022. I think it will look great lowered over a set of TWS T-66Fs.

If the engine responds to mods like the first gen (loved my '15 BRZ and regret getting rid of it), a header and E85 should bump the 228 up to near 260. The 13.5:1 comp should really be able to take advantage of E85, the FA20 was 12.5:1.

The first gen was ridiculously easy to pull 100-150 lbs out without doing anything that impacted DD-ability. Lightweight battery, wheels, front brakes, rear seat delete was good for around 90 lbs on the first gen.
Quote:
Originally Posted by R N M View Post
I sold my SeriesBlue recently - the engine is just tiring after awhile but rest of the car is perfect.
I agree headers and a tune would help to get another 20-30hp and further improve low end torque.

The big bright spot on the new one is max torque is now at 3-4k compared to over 6k on old one. It should feel much faster. The engine also sounds very good in some of the vids i saw but that maybe fake noise inside.

I will be very tempted if they release an STI version.

How reliable is the FA20 in those cars?
__________________
2012 135 Vermilion Red: DCT, M Sport, PPK 1 & 2

Appreciate 0
      11-20-2020, 02:13 PM   #57
OkieSnuffBox
Lieutenant
421
Rep
528
Posts

Drives: '13 135i
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: OKC, OK

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by XutvJet View Post
I don't understand Subaru's resistance to not use the FA20 turbo motor though.
Cost, weight, and the entire point of the vehicle. A turbo, with the requisite stronger driveline and bigger brakes and such would likely add 150 lbs to the car and push the price into the mid-upper 30s. Ceasing to be the "affordable" sports car it is now.

Not to mention as you creep up toward $40k competition gets much stiffer. Mustang, Camaro, 4 cyl Supra, Civic Type R.

For affordable sports cars you basically have two choices.

Hardtop = BRZ/GT-86
Converible = Miata

I'm glad they even did a 2nd version considering how much sales tapered off the last few years.

Quote:
Originally Posted by FrostyDC4 View Post
How reliable is the FA20 in those cars?
If you leave them NA and don't remove the revlimiter, they are just fine. The 2013 cars did have a valve spring recall.

Slap a turbo/SC on it, you will make good power for ????? but it's only a matter of time until one of the Papier-mâché rods ventilates the block or you wipe the #4 rod bearing.

The stock fuel system will support 275whp. And Edlebrock will give you a 3/36k warranty with their S/C system if you have it installed by an ASE-certified tech.
Appreciate 0
      11-20-2020, 04:01 PM   #58
kaputt
Captain
676
Rep
648
Posts

Drives: 128i 6MT - sold
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: TX -> CA

iTrader: (1)



Cool video with Scott Speed.

Car looks a lot better when it’s in motion. Honestly though, silver was a terrible color to release this car in. I’m sure the marketing people thought it was brilliant though because Americans hate color on their cars.

Despite the iffy looks I’m still really excited about this car.
Appreciate 0
      11-20-2020, 05:13 PM   #59
supra93
Colonel
United_States
1794
Rep
2,087
Posts

Drives: CLK, E500, Supra, RX7
Join Date: Sep 2016
Location: LA

iTrader: (0)

Some better interior pics via MotorTrend.


















Appreciate 0
      11-20-2020, 05:43 PM   #60
Burrcold
Colonel
Canada
2548
Rep
2,358
Posts

Drives: 2019 Audi RS5 Sportback
Join Date: Oct 2019
Location: Toronto, Canada

iTrader: (0)

Love the exterior. The interior looks like Casio designed it.
__________________
2019 Audi RS5 Sportback
2020 BMW M340i xDrive - Sold
2019 Audi S5 Sportback - RIP
2019 Audi S4 - Sold
2018 Audi S5 Coupe - Sold
Appreciate 0
      11-20-2020, 07:39 PM   #61
R N M
Major
R N M's Avatar
1885
Rep
1,269
Posts

Drives: F80 M3
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: NYC

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2016 BMW M3  [0.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by FrostyDC4 View Post
How reliable is the FA20 in those cars?
Very reliable as long as you don’t boost it.
Header and conservative tune - it will run forever, still Japanese car.
Appreciate 0
      11-20-2020, 08:14 PM   #62
nick3753
Major
nick3753's Avatar
601
Rep
1,259
Posts

Drives: 2012 e92 M3 DCT ZCP
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Michigan

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by kaputt View Post


Cool video with Scott Speed.

Car looks a lot better when it's in motion. Honestly though, silver was a terrible color to release this car in. I'm sure the marketing people thought it was brilliant though because Americans hate color on their cars.

Despite the iffy looks I'm still really excited about this car.
Perhaps BMW should hire Subaru's marketing people. What a contrast to the embarrassing M3/4 marketing content.
Appreciate 1
ntg442355.50
      11-21-2020, 02:45 AM   #63
RMachuca3d
Captain
RMachuca3d's Avatar
548
Rep
834
Posts

Drives: F30 328i Msport
Join Date: Aug 2018
Location: WA

iTrader: (2)

Garage List
Step in the right direction, just not enough IMHO.

Would like to drive one with an open mind, maybe it'll change my outlook.
Appreciate 0
      11-21-2020, 02:56 PM   #64
FrostyDC4
Second Lieutenant
United_States
69
Rep
299
Posts

Drives: 2012 135i M-7DCT|Nissan Z Car
Join Date: Nov 2016
Location: Scottsdale / Gilbert AZ

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2007 Nissan 350Z  [0.00]
2012 BMW 135i  [0.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by R N M View Post
Very reliable as long as you don’t boost it.
Header and conservative tune - it will run forever, still Japanese car.

Is there noticeable oil loss inbetween oil change intervals? Is it possible to fit a front or rear facing child seat inside (I would never do such a thing. Just asking for a friend )?
__________________
2012 135 Vermilion Red: DCT, M Sport, PPK 1 & 2

Appreciate 0
      11-21-2020, 04:14 PM   #65
OkieSnuffBox
Lieutenant
421
Rep
528
Posts

Drives: '13 135i
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: OKC, OK

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by FrostyDC4 View Post
Is there noticeable oil loss inbetween oil change intervals? Is it possible to fit a front or rear facing child seat inside (I would never do such a thing. Just asking for a friend )?
I never experienced it. And I had my '15 from 3 miles to 38k miles.
Appreciate 0
      11-22-2020, 01:58 PM   #66
supra93
Colonel
United_States
1794
Rep
2,087
Posts

Drives: CLK, E500, Supra, RX7
Join Date: Sep 2016
Location: LA

iTrader: (0)

Appreciate 0
Post Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:35 AM.




zpost
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST