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01-05-2023, 03:44 PM | #23 |
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thats obvious... the only other options there are pure sports cars and the sole sort of sedan, the panamera which is over 100k...
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I wonder if the total sales figure actually corresponds to total vehicles delivered. I’m guessing it does? But with all these deals inked on paper without the cars actually arriving on time makes me wonder…
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01-05-2023, 03:54 PM | #25 |
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You mean like all the cybertrucks Tesla "sold'?
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Yeah I disagree. There just we’re not many 3s on lots throughout the year. Only recently has my dealer had some on the showroom.
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Yes it does; they are buried within their respective series numbers.
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No surprise at all and instead prescient reading of the market and consumer preferences by the OEMs. Of course, awesome products as well.
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X5 is simply a nearly perfect design for the target customer segment. One could only imagine the sales uplift if iX were X5 electrified instead.
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Porsche sales up 20+%, BMW’s down.
Grill designs on the 4 series and M3/4’s sending loyal customers away and relying on AMG refugees to compensate for the departures. Over the next 12 months our two car perpetual BMW garage will transition to P cars for the first time in 2 decades (+ the M2 CS). Overall, these results don’t surprise me. You can’t absorb that much design repulsion and not see it affect your overall performance. |
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Large global corporations operate on 4 year cycles. Years 1 and 2: product development, market positioning Year 3: “we are right even if customers vote with their currency of choice to select another product” Year 4: “it’s time to return to our roots” (read: financial results are unsurprisingly lackluster); new decision makers replace old decision makers This applies of course only to products where customers' embrace is less than enthusiastic. Last edited by cfm56d7b; 01-06-2023 at 09:07 AM.. |
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This G8x will be vastly higher sales relative to any previous generation. Porsche is selling more taycans and SUVs, not significantly more 911s and 718s. The m3/m4 is not losing market share. |
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I don't think so either, they sure aren't here
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Exactly. The 2022 numbers will be interesting. In 2021 BMW sold >2.2m vehicles, and Porsche sold about 0.3m (off the top of my head). 911s are about 10k/yr in the US and 35k globally (if memory serves). Overall the M division sells about 60% of Porsche total volume. It’s not even close when it comes to M3/4 sales and 911/718. Porsche plays the exclusive, overpriced game. But this nonsense about Porsche replacing M cars is just that- nonsense. https://www.bmwblog.com/2022/01/12/b...s-record-2021/ |
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