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      03-30-2021, 01:45 PM   #199
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Well I learned something new, had no idea you could illegally pass then only take a five second penalty if you donít hand back the position. Interesting.
Is that the case?
Surely race control can black flag a competitor if they ignore the clear instruction to give the place back?
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Is that the case?
Surely race control can black flag a competitor if they ignore the clear instruction to give the place back?
pretty sure the penalty would be much more than a mickey mouse 5sec
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pretty sure the penalty would be much more than a mickey mouse 5sec
That’s what I was thinking, so why does the 5 second thing keep getting brought up? Illegal overtake to me always sounded like a huge no no.
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This.
Like me Alan Jones has said Max should have continued driving after hammy overtake and he would have gotten more than 5 seconds clear.
https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/80938...ust-drive.html
Max's own words...
However, the Dutchman later acknowledged in the press conference that
"the correct thing to do had been to hand Hamilton the place back".

"I knew that I ran out of the track limits, yeah, and then at Turn 8 they told me, so I gave the position back out of 10".
Ran out of track limits; NOT forced
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Max's own words...
However, the Dutchman later acknowledged in the press conference that
"the correct thing to do had been to hand Hamilton the place back".

"I knew that I ran out of the track limits, yeah, and then at Turn 8 they told me, so I gave the position back out of 10".
Ran out of track limits; NOT forced
If you watch the onboard, it even looks like he let of the steering to avoid an oversteer.
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Well I learned something new, had no idea you could illegally pass then only take a five second penalty if you don’t hand back the position. Interesting.

Personally, I don’t think Max had the pace for an extra five seconds cleared. He never even really challenged Hamilton after handing the position back.

Hamilton won fair and square, there’s a reason he’s arguably the best ever. I hope RB can keep it competitive this year, the sport needs competition badly.
My thoughts exactly. In the interview after Max said he didn't have the tires (read: pace) anymore. No way he could make up 5s without being able to pass Ham in the first place. What makes me lough is that pretty much every one except for 2 imbeciles here can see this.
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Thatís what I was thinking, so why does the 5 second thing keep getting brought up? Illegal overtake to me always sounded like a huge no no.
the two Max fans in here keep brining it up. We sort of just let them live their fantasy while carrying on the real conversation.
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the two Max fans in here keep brining it up. We sort of just let them live their fantasy while carrying on the real conversation.
R.Schumacher said this but carry on with your convo, the experts just laugh.
https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/80966...ing-skill.html
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R.Schumacher said this but carry on with your convo, the experts just laugh.
https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/80966...ing-skill.html

Can you not read? Look at the title you posted: but-hamilton-won-on-strategy-and-driving-skill

Experts agree HAM is better.
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R.Schumacher said this but carry on with your convo, the experts just laugh.
https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/80966...ing-skill.html
"Hamilton won on strategy & driving skill" just endorces the fact that 'just' having the fastest car doesn't make you a multiple World Champion
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R.Schumacher said this but carry on with your convo, the experts just laugh.
https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/80966...ing-skill.html
What makes Ralf Schumacher an expert? Bottas has accomplished more than Ralf. Iíd love to see your camp call him an expert hahahaha
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For the haters: [Youtube video]
The Silverstone race in the wet was unbelievable.
But the 2018 Singapore qualifying lap was other-worldly...watch the online video of the lap, it is just awesome precision driving.
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What makes Ralf Schumacher an expert? Bottas has accomplished more than Ralf. Iíd love to see your camp call him an expert hahahaha
Thought the same, but they think MAX is the best driver ever, so
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The Silverstone race in the wet was unbelievable.
But the 2018 Singapore qualifying lap was other-worldly...watch the online video of the lap, it is just awesome precision driving.
+1

especially at 1:27 pushing the barriers away..



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28 no sorry 29 penalties for hammy
Something really interesting !

Today the Japanese showed me a note !
On the note was written :

Lewis Hamilton exceeded 29 times the track limits !
By exceeding the track limits in turn 4 , Hamilton gained 0.5 sec in each lap .

But he exceeded 29 times the track limits : 29 x 0.5 sec. = 14.5 sec . !
However ! Hamilton was warned twice ( 2 X ) during the race for exceeding the track limits in turn 4 !

During the race Hamilton stole 14.5 sec. + the victory .
Max Verstappen got a 5 sec. penalty for overtaking and his victory was stolen.

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Something really interesting !

Today the Japanese showed me a note !
On the note was written :

Lewis Hamilton exceeded 29 times the track limits !
By exceeding the track limits in turn 4 , Hamilton gained 0.5 sec in each lap .

But he exceeded 29 times the track limits : 29 x 0.5 sec. = 14.5 sec . !
However ! Hamilton was warned twice ( 2 X ) during the race for exceeding the track limits in turn 4 !

During the race Hamilton stole 14.5 sec. + the victory .
Max Verstappen got a 5 sec. penalty for overtaking and his victory was stolen.

Guy. You're beating a dead horse. If Max had been doing the same thing the entire race as well, and red bull hadn't said something on the radio, neither of them would've been warned. Then, Max STILL would've had to give the place back for passing off track.

If you want to whine about Hamilton being more clever than Max and going faster until told not to, then just say it's not fair that Hamilton was more clever. Case closed.
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Guy. You're beating a dead horse. If Max had been doing the same thing the entire race as well, and red bull hadn't said something on the radio, neither of them would've been warned. Then, Max STILL would've had to give the place back for passing off track.

If you want to whine about Hamilton being more clever than Max and going faster until told not to, then just say it's not fair that Hamilton was more clever. Case closed.
Mbelgium will continue flogging this particular dead horse for weeks/months to come.
To recap (again).
There was no pre-race directive excluding exceeding track limits at turn 4.
Horner told Verstappen to exceed track limits at turn 4 the same as Hamilton.
During the race, Race control told the Mercedes team that if Hamilton continued exceeding turn 4 track limits he would get a penalty so he stopped.
Verstappen continued to exceed track limits.
Of course all irrelevant to the issue of overtaking while off track.
Imagine the crying and bunching of panties if the roles were reversed and Hamilton had passed Verstappen off track and was not told to give the place back!

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+1
[LH pole lap]
especially at 1:27 pushing the barriers away..
Just watched it again...its a mesmerising lap...right on the edge with barriers just inches away.
The sort of lap F1 drivers dream of driving.
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Mbelgium will continue flogging this particular dead horse for weeks/months to come.
To recap (again).
There was no pre-race directive excluding exceeding track limits at turn 4.
Horner told Verstappen to exceed track limits at turn 4 the same as Hamilton.
During the race, Race control told the Mercedes team that if Hamilton continued exceeding turn 4 track limits he would get a penalty so he stopped.
Verstappen continued to exceed track limits.
Of course all irrelevant to the issue of overtaking while off track.
Imagine the crying and bunching of panties if the roles were reversed and Hamilton had passed Verstappen off track!
They were free to exceed track limits except when suddenly announced overtaking at T4 not to exceed limits when overtaking in progress? What's the difference except selective directive that came into play there while hammy was still leading.
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They were free to exceed track limits except when suddenly announced overtaking at T4 not to exceed limits when overtaking in progress? What's the difference except selective directive that came into play there while hammy was still leading.
The rule has always been so.
Hamilton lost a race at Spa for overtaking off track...even though he gave the place back...because it was decreed that he had gained a lasting advantage.
Same Verstappen at Austin when he overtook Kimi...he got a time penalty.
I do agreed that Race Control made a bit of a dogs dinner of turn 4 track limits during the race. But after Horners radio call to Verstappen about it, Hamilton was told by Race Control to stop doing it and he did.
What more was he supposed to do?
Track limits and overtaking off track are separate issues.
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So my friend we have learnt that it's not experience that hammy used to win that race just a helping hand from Masi at the right moment..that dispels the theory that hammy won on strategy and driving skill.
Now we wait for ones to alight from the hammy belief chapel
ē "Mercedes very busy regarding a new floor" !

Toto Wolff ordered to build a new floor for the Mercedes W12 ASAP !
The new floor has to be ready for the Emilia-Romagna Imola GP !
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