Still want an EV?

[Efthreeoh]

The internet has an answer for almost everything. Yet ask it how many households in the US currently could support at-home EV charging, and Mr Google has no definitive answer. I earlier stated I think it is just 45%. After more research I think it's more like 30%.

[supra93]

[FrankMstein]

Originally Posted by supra93

We have reached Beta testers as consumers, like software.

[dreamingat30fps]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Not just fires but look at this, could you live with it if your T killed two, one a schoolgirl, just parking up then taking off with the brakes dead..
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=te...id:YeYiTUJxfEo

Hmmm.... sounds familiar. Oh must have been those killer Toyotas a few years back that were just out murdering people left and right. I've owned both Teslas and Toyotas... not sure how I've managed to survive this long.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

I see the makings of many a new horror film.

A remake of Steven Spielberg’s Duel? Man chased by a self driving Tesla?
Christine goes EV?
Maximum Tesla?
Death Race 2030?

Maybe not a film but I thought of this song
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=60...id:en1uwIzI3SE

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by KRS_SN

I won't. A Tesla in the house is a sign that I've lost my sense of taste and sight and lost my will to live..I won't become a musk minion.

Porsche Taycan as an EV? .. worth less than half it's value after 12 months!

[Murf the Surf]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

The internet has an answer for almost everything. Yet ask it how many households in the US currently could support at-home EV charging, and Mr Google has no definitive answer. I earlier stated I think it is just 45%. After more research I think it's more like 30%.

When you start to look at apartments/condo's and then older parts of major cities with on street parking (no driveways or garage) I'd say your number is probably pretty accurate. EV's might make sense for people who can charge at home and don't do longer trips but common sense says they are not a one size fits all solution. I suspect that the folks who have already adopted EV's are the ones whose lifestyle they suit and the rest are the ones who see the challenges.

[Murf the Surf]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Porsche Taycan as an EV? .. worth less than half it's value after 12 months!

A lot of interesting points in this video. I'm not surprised at the trade in value, as I can't imagine the used market for EV's is very good.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by Murf the Surf

When you start to look at apartments/condo's and then older parts of major cities with on street parking (no driveways or garage) I'd say your number is probably pretty accurate. EV's might make sense for people who can charge at home and don't do longer trips but common sense says they are not a one size fits all solution. I suspect that the folks who have already adopted EV's are the ones whose lifestyle they suit and the rest are the ones who see the challenges.

I'm by far not a societal planner, but I would think as houses and population gets denser the need for a long-range EV with good charging network support is of more importance for the buyer, because vehicle use is geared more for long distance oriented for driving out of town for work and for weekends. High density locations where private charging is scarce coincides with a more foot-oriented lifestyle, so cars are used more for pleasure activities. Range limited EV have never made sense to me.

No manufacturer has yet introduced a convertible in the form of the 3-series or Mustang/Camero; sort of a telltale for me. Google for convertible EV and you get a bunch of vaporwear.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by supra93

And it still is $50K! If it was $30K maybe you'd go first-adopter with it, but it's no less expensive than a real manufacturer's EV.

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

And it still is $50K! If it was $30K maybe you'd go first-adopter with it, but it's no less expensive than a real manufacturer's EV.

What's crazy is that I sat inside this EV a few months ago in their Santa Monica showroom... and ironically, it had a far better interior than a Tesla.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by Murf the Surf

A lot of interesting points in this video. I'm not surprised at the trade in value, as I can't imagine the used market for EV's is very good.

Since most EV's are sold on incentive programs and/or tax breaks it should be no surprise that you will take the hit on the back end in trade in value.

Cash for EV clunkers may not be far off. EV reparations?

[G35POPPEDMYCHERRY]

why do so many broke people have Tesla's now. Like they are the new nissan altima in philly. Also some people have like 2-3 suv Teslas

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by ASAP

What's crazy is that I sat inside this EV a few months ago in their Santa Monica showroom... and ironically, it had a far better interior than a Tesla.

It just goes to show the big hurdle in EV pricing is the battery cost. And everyone thinks the magic solid-state battery will fix that problem. It won't.

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

I'm by far not a societal planner, but I would think as houses and population gets denser the need for a long-range EV with good charging network support is of more importance for the buyer, because vehicle use is geared more for long distance oriented for driving out of town for work and for weekends. High density locations where private charging is scarce coincides with a more foot-oriented lifestyle, so cars are used more for pleasure activities. Range limited EV have never made sense to me.

No manufacturer has yet introduced a convertible in the form of the 3-series or Mustang/Camero; sort of a telltale for me. Google for convertible EV and you get a bunch of vaporwear.

Agree with you. There will also be opportunities for condos/apartments to have charging stations. Workplaces have already and will likely in the future provide charging opportunities. There are lots of ways to address charging issues for more densely populated areas. Already many in large cities just rent vehicles ICE or EV when they need them.

[M5Rick]

We now come to the touchy subject if your EV is in a crash and it's not looking good.
For starters no one can touch it until an EV breakdown expert neutralises it then repairers won't know what to do with it and most likely it will be a write off.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

We now come to the touchy subject if your EV is in a crash and it's not looking good.
For starters no one can touch it until an EV breakdown expert neutralises it then repairers won't know what to do with it and most likely it will be a write off.

Reminded me of this Car and Driver article:

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a1...ting-chargers/

[Car-Addicted]

So my tax dollars are used to provide incentives for people to buy EV's.
My fuel taxes are use to maintain the roads that have higher wear due to the increased weight of EV's.
My insurance premiums will rise because damaged EV's are often totaled due to problems and cost of repairing them.
I'm not feeling the whole green thing.

[Cos270]

I think it’s pretty clear, the small demographic of those early adopters is dwindling. Characteristics of said demographic (not all-or-none, but all are traits): able to afford an EV, able to charge said EV at home, willing to sacrifice some usability. From talking to lots of people in the industry (in which I also work), if you don’t meet at least two of these criteria, you likely aren’t buying EVs.

Edit: I should add to the list you also keep an ICE car in the fleet.

[gonzo]

^
Word of the day:
Dwindling

I'd like to see a sales/repeat buyers chart for EV.
Fads?

[David70]

It would make a lot of sense for us to have an EV and an ICE (2 daily driver household wife/me), charge the EV at home all the time, drive EV 70% of total miles. In our case the benefit would be drastically cutting refueling time (just plug in twice a week), far lower amount of maintenance (recently had oil, engine air filter, diff. fluid, transmission fluid, coolant all changed in my ICE), brakes last far longer, very simple powertrain, and reduced fuel cost.

For all of the "never work for "X", people" - ok great, neither will a sedan.

I have a weekend fun car, most of my driving is local, stop light to stop light, commuting and I am fine with an EV. Largest hurdle right now is the initial cost but the differential between an ICE and EV keeps getting smaller.

[David70]

Originally Posted by gonzo

^
Word of the day:
Dwindling

I'd like to see a sales/repeat buyers chart for EV.
Fads?

Actual sales dwindling?



https://www.statista.com/statistics/...-market-share/