Still want an EV?

[chassis]

So, methane.

570m tons methane per year emitted globally, approx.
80x more warming potential than CO2
= 46b tons CO2 equivalent

35b tons per year CO2 emitted globally, approx

Climate gang should be chasing the methane stick.

Fetch it up!

[OkieSnuffBox]

Originally Posted by chassis

So, methane.

570m tons methane per year emitted globally, approx.
80x more warming potential than CO2
= 46b tons CO2 equivalent

35b tons per year CO2 emitted globally, approx

Climate gang should be chasing the methane stick.

Fetch it up!

To be fair, that along with water usage is part of the vegetarian/vegan movement against the consumption of beef.

[chad86tsi]

Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox

To be fair, that along with water usage is part of the vegetarian/vegan movement against the consumption of beef.

Don't vegetarians/vegans emit more gas themselves?

[OkieSnuffBox]

Originally Posted by chad86tsi

Don't vegetarians/vegans emit more gas themselves?

I don't know any personally.

I don't need that kind of negativity in my life.

[x622]

https://www.transportdive.com/news/A...report/638272/

I don't think I even need to comment

[BGM-M3COMP]

Tesla's semi with an 80,000lbs load destroyed a regular truck with ease.

Imagine not hearing that fucking ANNOYING truck sound everywhere you go? That annoying loud bark deceleration sound those trucks make. How slow they are to get off the line causing more traffic.

These tesla trucks will move like regular commuter cars of today.

Man i can't wait for this EV transition!!

This is the inEVitable!!! LOL

[OkieSnuffBox]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

Tesla's semi with an 80,000lbs load destroyed a regular truck with ease.

Imagine not hearing that fucking ANNOYING truck sound everywhere you go? That annoying loud bark deceleration sound those trucks make. How slow they are to get off the line causing more traffic.

These tesla trucks will move like regular commuter cars of today.

Man i can't wait for this EV transition!!

This is the inEVitable!!! LOL

I would have thought someone with your intelligence and means wouldn't live next to a highway.

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by zx10guy

It's a repeating nightmare getting some people to understand what they're hitching their wagons to with this push for EVs in such a short time frame.

I've posted in two incidents with power outages in my area which is a major metropolitan center. I myself experienced a power outage in my area affecting 3200 customers with no weather situation. Still don't know what caused the outage lasting 1.5 hours. Then the next day a plane flies into some power lines. I know it's freak thing. But the grid didn't have the resiliency to deal with minimizing the impact. 85,000 affected customers and two major hospitals. Then the resulting fallout even after power was restored. The entire county's public school system shut down and a very busy subway line had some station shut downs. <sarcasm>Our power grid is definitely ready to handle the additional load of all these new EVs.</sarcasm>

And those that think the Feds are going to be able to positively push this agenda/timeline, think again. I think we all remember this little event called 9/11. I worked as a Federal contractor at the time. I saw the big wake up call of how there were so many deficiencies in the US' ability to respond to a major domestic disaster. New agencies were stood up and lots of funding was allocated. We're 21 years past that horrible day and I can honestly say much hasn't really changed. Even simple things such as being able to fix the horrible traffic situation in the DC area hasn't happened. The evacuation of people from all high risk targets was a total nightmare. The building I was working in took two hours to evacuate on that day. I can honestly say two hours for that same building would be wishful thinking now. It'll probably be more on the lines of 3 to 4 hours now.

There was a definite national security issue with mandates and funding. Yet we're really no better off than we were since given 21 years for things to be done.

I think this right here is a very good point and goes back to the ultimate goal of EVs... supposedly its to reduce dependency on fossil fuels but we aren't looking at the grand scheme of things.

The only time in the last 50 years that that I can recall any sort of reduction in CO2 output or air being cleaner at a significant level was when Covid happened and we had lockdowns... that necessitated an entire change in our lifestyle and consumption patters... we couldn't go to restaurants, drive much etc etc... we are FAR too large of a consumption society to make any sort of real world impact... to make an impact, you'd need to massively reduce consumption in the first place and let's be honest this isn't happening... this is all a scheme to make some people rich... if it wasn't, the first thing we would banning would be private jet travel but that would be too inconvenient for some.

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox

I would have thought someone with your intelligence and means wouldn't live next to a highway.

The hospital i work at is actually right off the highway LOL

[BGM-M3COMP]

To go back on topic, EV is NOT going anywhere. And no one is "backing out" of this plan.

Just like autonomous driving, EV transition will come and it will come soon.

Point blank period. 2030. Gigantic swing. Coming up. Yay!

[Tejas1836]

I read VW cannot afford to manufacture EV batteries in Germany any longer because electricity prices make it economically unfeasible so they are moving production elsewhere. I think German car prices will probably increase 2% per quarter in 2023.

[G MONEY]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

To go back on topic, EV is NOT going anywhere. And no one is "backing out" of this plan.

Just like autonomous driving, EV transition will come and it will come soon.

Point blank period. 2030. Gigantic swing. Coming up. Yay!

Yawn X 16

[chad86tsi]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

To go back on topic, EV is NOT going anywhere. And no one is "backing out" of this plan.

Going back on topic would be to address why people don't want what is available, and why.

You have done almost none of that.

No one has said it isn't going to come, literally no one. Why? because it came 10-20 years ago, depending on what metrics you want to use. It's like saying "computers are going to change our lives". Yah, no shit. They already have.

Just like autonomous driving, EV transition will come and it will come soon.

Autonomous driving is a sure thing. "When?" is the question. Tesla has solidified everyone's disbelief and mistrust in the process. Somebody had to be first, and tesla stepped up. Probably best it was Tesla. GM, or Ford, or BMW, or any other legacy auto manufacturer would have cut the cord long ago when they realized how far away it really is to get to level 5. They wouldn't have done all this ridiculous false advertising, beta testing, and hundreds of versions/updates released that still don't hit the mark. Legitimate companies run by a propper board of directors would never have stomached such a process and would have waited till it actually worked before they tried to sell it. They wouldn't have tolerated such abject failure. The legacy manufactures are also working on it, but aren't keen to display their current failure to achieve that goal. They also don't make promises that they can't meet, or sell /products and services that can't be used/delivered, or if they do, they don't double down on it.

Point blank period. 2030. Gigantic swing. Coming up. Yay

Gigantic swing? your definition (+50%) and prediction (7 years) is mathematically impossible. A swing will occur, and it already has. Not unlike predicting cell phones will someday do more than make phone calls.

[Murf the Surf]

So a very interesting article in the CBC, for those of you who don't know the CBC, it is funded by the government in Canada as the "national broadcaster", they are very political and left leaning. The government of Canada is also imposting mandates about the transition to EV's. There may be some chinks in the armour.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/ev-...ium%3Dsharebar

[chassis]

VW delaying battery production in Germany
Switzerland banning electric vehicle use
Toyota may delay some EV programs
US is energy independent
Electric utilities don’t have a plan to meet EV demand
Methane emissions continue unabated

Lots of moving pieces. Seems like the Kettering copper cooled engine all over again.

[Murf the Surf]

Originally Posted by chassis

VW delaying battery production in Germany
Switzerland banning electric vehicle use
Toyota may delay some EV programs
US is energy independent
Electric utilities don’t have a plan to meet EV demand
Methane emissions continue unabated

Lots of moving pieces. Seems like the Kettering copper cooled engine all over again.

I won't suggest EV's don't have a place in the market but typical of government pushing their agenda without actually thinking it all the way through. Something I learned a long time ago, it's easy to make policy and start the ball rolling when you know full well you won't be around to have to see it through.

[RM7]

Originally Posted by chassis

VW delaying battery production in Germany
Switzerland banning electric vehicle use
Toyota may delay some EV programs
US is energy independent
Electric utilities don’t have a plan to meet EV demand
Methane emissions continue unabated

Lots of moving pieces. Seems like the Kettering copper cooled engine all over again.

Stop with the fake news already. Switzerland is NOT banning EVs and if you are not interested in telling the actual story, don't post anything.

[Murf the Surf]

Originally Posted by RM7

Stop with the fake news already. Switzerland is NOT banning EVs and if you are not interested in telling the actual story, don't post anything.

Maybe

https://www.drive.com.au/news/switze...wer-shortages/

https://www.indiatimes.com/explainer...es-587009.html

[XutvJet]

Originally Posted by Murf the Surf

I won't suggest EV's don't have a place in the market but typical of government pushing their agenda without actually thinking it all the way through. Something I learned a long time ago, it's easy to make policy and start the ball rolling when you know full well you won't be around to have to see it through.

This is all true. Sometimes policy is needed to force an industry change. For example, the auto industry fought damn hard on catalytic converters and improving emissions, largely by way of wide-spread electronic fuel injection. The industry said that it wasn't cost effective, would increase the cost of cars dramatically, and would kill engine performance. Look at where things are now. You have ICE vehicles largely emitting next to nothing but water vapor now.

And yeah, politicians, especially those in CA, have no idea how much work it will take to make EVs for the masses a viable thing. They had to set an aggressive target date to get industry moving. The reality is that "2030" target date will be pushed back.

Many automakers went in head first in claiming that they'd soon be all electric. Now we're seeing that it's not feasible and many are backing out and revising their "all in" EV plans.

[chad86tsi]

Originally Posted by RM7

Stop with the fake news already. Switzerland is NOT banning EVs and if you are not interested in telling the actual story, don't post anything.

Switzerland is writing into law a plan for the what-if's.

The what-if's are already here (in the US):

6 days After Banning Gas Cars, California Tells EV Drivers To Hold Back On Charging
https://cleantechnica.com/2022/09/02...k-on-charging/


Tesla Asking Owners to Limit Charging During Texas Heatwave Isn’t a Good Sign
https://www.thedrive.com/news/tesla-...e-to-heat-wave

[chassis]

Originally Posted by RM7

Stop with the fake news already. Switzerland is NOT banning EVs and if you are not interested in telling the actual story, don't post anything.

No one said anything about banning EVs. Do you agree?

Switzerland is banning their use for reasons that make sense to them.

[RM7]

Originally Posted by chassis

No one said anything about banning EVs. Do you agree?

Switzerland is banning their use for reasons that make sense to them.

It’s right here. Banning use banning use is non sequitur. If you ban use, you are effectively banning them.

Switzerland banning electric vehicle use

It was misleading. Just admit it.

Switzerland is making contingency plans, just like every nation does. They are not banning EVs.