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      05-21-2018, 05:20 PM   #67
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Famous quote: "The first revolution is when you change your mind, about how you look at things, and realize there is another way to look at it that you have not been shown".

Dude, the "public" are seen daily driving around in Camrys, Corrollas, Rav 4s, and F-150s, so what do they know?

I like tradition also. Many who've read my many posts in the 3 series area on BMW tradition and history know this.

However, you must note the transition going on here. The Internal Combustion Engine is on it's deathbed. So is traditional ICE design like jmg said earlier. The "i" line is a move into the future of the automobile. Sure, some of the designs are hard to accept at first, but when you understand what's going on, it becomes easier to accept.

Ignorance in all forms always manifests itself in fear, dissension, and hate. If you don't understand EVs, you may tend to not like any part of the subject.

I hated hybrids like the Prius to no end; still do. Why, because there was nothing futuristic in a hybrid as they still drove on gas. The silly, flaccid looks pointed to softness.

Most EVs took on this same esthetic, think Nissan Leaf. However, most men want either something aggressive looking or purposeful. The i3 is totally purposeful in it's execution and this was attractive to me. I gave the car a chance, did my research, took time to survey the environment, then started to view things in a different light.

Worst thing you can ever do is be the last person to "get it". Think Apple, Facebook, or Bitcoin.
Some people bought Pontiac Aztecs also.
Ya this guy

I find it funny that people think EVs are gonna take over in the near future. I live in a highly populated area just outside NYC. Barely see any full EVs.

I think the auto manufacturers are taking a gamble trying to shove this crap down our throats here in the US. Time will tell.
NYC is not a driving city, so why would even a highly populated area just outside of it be any indication of the future of the automobile industry? LA and SF are driving cities. Time is already telling and it says that the EV will be a big player in what cars will look like in the near future. Government subsidies aside, less centralized power generation via suburban and commercial solar panels will relieve a lot of pressure from the power grid. It will be more convenient and economical for highly populated commuter centric cites to be able to charge their vehicles with their own collected power. It will also help elevate the need to transport fuel from source to consumer.
I live outside of NYC on Long Island which is highly populated with millions of people that need cars to get anywhere. Calling LA and SF (especially LA) driving cities is funny to me as they seem more like parking lots then anything else. Time will tell. I just don't see this EV "revolution" happening" here in the USA in the near future is all. Maybe Europe as the socialist Governments are hard at work forcing the population to transition for Mother Earth. People in the US want big ass pickup trucks/SUVs, fast ass muscle cars and long ranges. EVs do not offer any of that. Period.
Driving cities when it applies to the average consumer... but only the outskirts for the canyon carving enthusiasts. Commuter cities would be a more accurate term, considering the vastness of the city and shortcomings of mass transit.

It's no small accident that the I-Pace and iX3 are suvs/crossovers. Manufacturers are well aware of what the consumer trends are. California is the 5th largest economy in the world. It's safe to say that what people are buying here is pretty important and they would be paying attention.
Population of California = 40 million

Population of the US without California 285 million

I think it's safe to say the rest of the US is more important to auto manufacturers then Cali. Just saying.
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Famous quote: "The first revolution is when you change your mind, about how you look at things, and realize there is another way to look at it that you have not been shown".

Dude, the "public" are seen daily driving around in Camrys, Corrollas, Rav 4s, and F-150s, so what do they know?

I like tradition also. Many who've read my many posts in the 3 series area on BMW tradition and history know this.

However, you must note the transition going on here. The Internal Combustion Engine is on it's deathbed. So is traditional ICE design like jmg said earlier. The "i" line is a move into the future of the automobile. Sure, some of the designs are hard to accept at first, but when you understand what's going on, it becomes easier to accept.

Ignorance in all forms always manifests itself in fear, dissension, and hate. If you don't understand EVs, you may tend to not like any part of the subject.

I hated hybrids like the Prius to no end; still do. Why, because there was nothing futuristic in a hybrid as they still drove on gas. The silly, flaccid looks pointed to softness.

Most EVs took on this same esthetic, think Nissan Leaf. However, most men want either something aggressive looking or purposeful. The i3 is totally purposeful in it's execution and this was attractive to me. I gave the car a chance, did my research, took time to survey the environment, then started to view things in a different light.

Worst thing you can ever do is be the last person to "get it". Think Apple, Facebook, or Bitcoin.
Some people bought Pontiac Aztecs also.
Ya this guy

I find it funny that people think EVs are gonna take over in the near future. I live in a highly populated area just outside NYC. Barely see any full EVs.

I think the auto manufacturers are taking a gamble trying to shove this crap down our throats here in the US. Time will tell.
NYC is not a driving city, so why would even a highly populated area just outside of it be any indication of the future of the automobile industry? LA and SF are driving cities. Time is already telling and it says that the EV will be a big player in what cars will look like in the near future. Government subsidies aside, less centralized power generation via suburban and commercial solar panels will relieve a lot of pressure from the power grid. It will be more convenient and economical for highly populated commuter centric cites to be able to charge their vehicles with their own collected power. It will also help elevate the need to transport fuel from source to consumer.
I live outside of NYC on Long Island which is highly populated with millions of people that need cars to get anywhere. Calling LA and SF (especially LA) driving cities is funny to me as they seem more like parking lots then anything else. Time will tell. I just don't see this EV "revolution" happening" here in the USA in the near future is all. Maybe Europe as the socialist Governments are hard at work forcing the population to transition for Mother Earth. People in the US want big ass pickup trucks/SUVs, fast ass muscle cars and long ranges. EVs do not offer any of that. Period.
Driving cities when it applies to the average consumer... but only the outskirts for the canyon carving enthusiasts. Commuter cities would be a more accurate term, considering the vastness of the city and shortcomings of mass transit.

It's no small accident that the I-Pace and iX3 are suvs/crossovers. Manufacturers are well aware of what the consumer trends are. California is the 5th largest economy in the world. It's safe to say that what people are buying here is pretty important and they would be paying attention.
Population of California = 40 million

Population of the US without California 285 million

I think it's safe to say the rest of the US is more important to auto manufacturers then Cali. Just saying.
I'm not saying one is more important than the other.
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Probably just me, but I think it's time to retire the "i" branding...it's so overplayed on everything from cars to mobile device chargers. I'm surprised BMW is using that mechanism to brand its future...it seems stale, worn out, and derivative of Apple. Pretty sure a marketing undergrad class could come up with that name.

I just want an electric BMW with the normal E90 styling of the beautiful 3 series full electric with 500~1,000 km range on a single charge competing with the Tesla current model S performance.

BMW need to drop the silly looking i3 that no one wants, and build a car that everyone wants.

This new iNext is the same crap as i3... except an X3 or X5 syling... I hope I'm wrong and it's a normal 3 series!

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Probably just me, but I think it's time to retire the "i" branding...it's so overplayed on everything from cars to mobile device chargers. I'm surprised BMW is using that mechanism to brand its future...it seems stale, worn out, and derivative of Apple. Pretty sure a marketing undergrad class could come up with that name.

I just want an electric BMW with the normal E90 styling of the beautiful 3 series full electric with 500~1,000 km range on a single charge competing with the Tesla current model S performance.

BMW need to drop the silly looking i3 that no one wants, and build a car that everyone wants.

This new iNext is the same crap as i3... except an X3 or X5 syling... I hope I'm wrong and it's a normal 3 series!
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Q: Why can't EVs just look like "normal" BMWs?

A: Private sales of EVs simply aren't successful when they aren't immediately recognized as an EV. I believe this is due to the need for EVs to deliver clear "virtue signals" that the owner/driver is environmentally conscious. This messaging is a significant part of the appeal of these vehicles.
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Probably just me, but I think it's time to retire the "i" branding...it's so overplayed on everything from cars to mobile device chargers. I'm surprised BMW is using that mechanism to brand its future...it seems stale, worn out, and derivative of Apple. Pretty sure a marketing undergrad class could come up with that name.

I just want an electric BMW with the normal E90 styling of the beautiful 3 series full electric with 500~1,000 km range on a single charge competing with the Tesla current model S performance.

BMW need to drop the silly looking i3 that no one wants, and build a car that everyone wants.

This new iNext is the same crap as i3... except an X3 or X5 syling... I hope I'm wrong and it's a normal 3 series!
Any car with a 14yr old body style isn't going to sell. You might have a soft spot for an E90, but the average potential EV customer probably does not.
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I just want an electric BMW with the normal E90 styling of the beautiful 3 series full electric with 500~1,000 km range on a single charge competing with the Tesla current model S performance.

BMW need to drop the silly looking i3 that no one wants, and build a car that everyone wants.

This new iNext is the same crap as i3... except an X3 or X5 syling... I hope I'm wrong and it's a normal 3 series!
If you have read recent BMW news you should know that BMW will implement electric drivetrain option to ALL their models and use the same production line as for ICE cars.

This will obviously take some time until all models are included.

The "iNext" is more of a showcase to demonstrate a very high-tech model.
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If you have read recent BMW news you should know that BMW will implement electric drivetrain option to ALL their models and use the same production line as for ICE cars.

This will obviously take some time until all models are included.

The "iNext" is more of a showcase to demonstrate a very high-tech model.
Yea, I just hope it's a model 3.
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Huh? You mean 3-series?
Yes, that one too. Around 2021.
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