Biker Gang and Land Rover Incident in NYC

[Sam335ix]

Originally Posted by pgviper

Seems like we have a serious internet bad a$$ right here. It was a charity run for christ sake. I was on the BQE on sunday and there were several other huge groups of motorcycle riders cruising around. It was a beautiful sunday so naturally if I see a group of motorcycle riders getting close to me i'll run them over . The only threats we can see are driving close to someones vehicle. Let me just say that if you are going to run everyone over who comes close to your vehicle in NYC then GTFO. Being close to other vehicles ISSSS city driving!!!!

lol yeah because those douch bags were the charity type of bikers!! Gtfo with your bs.

[pgviper]

Originally Posted by Sam335ix

Right... Even if the rr was at fault to start it, wtf sense does it make for bunch of thugs on bikes effing with a 5000 pound SUV? That is called uneducated dumb shit mob idiots that all deserved to get run over, backed up and run over again for putting a mans kid and wife in danger!! F them all hope they catch them and lock them up. Do that shit where I live, they will be picking up dead bodies of the bikers along the highway.

I agree, they are a bunch of idiots running around in a mob but you know what, that doesn't change the fact that the driver of the RR SHOULD HAVE AVOIDED THE DAMN SITUATION!!!!!

[pgviper]

Originally Posted by Sam335ix

lol yeah because those douch bags were the charity type of bikers!! Gtfo with your bs.

Do yhou live in NYC, no you don't. I was driving around the city on sunday. There were several massive groups of motorcycle riders out.

[Sam335ix]

Originally Posted by pgviper

I agree, they are a bunch of idiots running around in a mob but you know what, that doesn't change the fact that the driver of the RR SHOULD HAVE AVOIDED THE DAMN SITUATION!!!!!

And how do you know he cause it? How else cold he avoid it? Put your self in his shoes, your wife and toddler in the car and these thugs are coming at you... You will panic, you will do what anyone would do trying to protect their family. I am glad I work from home and my state has great gun laws lol non of this shit would ever happen here.

[Sam335ix]

Originally Posted by pgviper

Do yhou live in NYC, no you don't. I was driving around the city on sunday. There were several massive groups of motorcycle riders out.

Who gives a f... They effed with the rr and got what was coming to them. F ny by the way, can't stand that POS place :-) no offense.

[pgviper]

Originally Posted by Sam335ix

And how do you know he cause it? How else cold he avoid it? Put your self in his shoes, your wife and toddler in the car and these thugs are coming at you... You will panic, you will do what anyone would do trying to protect their family. I am glad I work from home and my state has great gun laws lol non of this shit would ever happen here.

Slow down and let the group pass. Why would a group that big mess with a car on a congested highway (it is always congested over there so the fact that you can't see any cars means that all the cars did what the average person would do and slow down) in the middle of the day on a sunday. Let the damn bikers pass. So what if you are a couple minutes late to your destination, it would have avoided a tragic situation.

[Litos]

Originally Posted by turbolag

any one of y'all Texans/gun users willing to answer if a handgun would be enough to take out the entire gang or just a few? I'm assuming only a few, right?

listen.

with 16 rounds in a gun, you can easily take out one.

if the second one is stupid enough, he's getting blasted too.

that leaves only 14 rounds left.

TRUST ME when I say there are not 14 people in that mob that want to stand within 10 feet of that car at that point.....

14 bullets dude......

some people are brave, but after seeing the THIRD m'fucker get his sternum kissed by a .40 round, I HIGHLY DOUBT that there will be a fourth that thinks he's gonna play the hero.....

[Sam335ix]

Originally Posted by pgviper

Slow down and let the group pass. Why would a group that big mess with a car on a congested highway (it is always congested over there so the fact that you can't see any cars means that all the cars did what the average person would do and slow down) in the middle of the day on a sunday. Let the damn bikers pass. So what if you are a couple minutes late to your destination, it would have avoided a tragic situation.

You need to watch the video, he did SLOW DOWN STOPPED and was attakced. Dude I am done responding to you, your probably a biker and feel sympathy for these idiots or maybe you were one of the riders? Good luck in NY, just don't spread that stupidity down where I live because it won't work out so great for the two wheel biker.

[pgviper]

Originally Posted by Sam335ix

Who gives a f... They effed with the rr and got what was coming to them. F ny by the way, can't stand that POS place :-) no offense.

No offense taken man, i'm fed up with this place also. The inflation, traffic, people, it all pisses me off. I'm stuck on Long Island so I have to go through that area every time I want to leave the island.

Honestly man, I can make a pretty good assumption to the type of people that are on those bikes and it ain't a positive one. Quite honestly, they did get what they deserved. However one thing I do know is that this shit doesn't just start from nothing and since we can only speculate, i'm saying that the guy in the RR put himself in that situation. I am telling you, PEOPLE IN NY HATE TRAFFIC BECAUSE THERE IS SOO MUCH OF IT!!! When you are now stuck in it because of a bunch of asshole bikers it would piss me off also which is exactly why I think this guy just tried to press his way through. I've seen it happen in real life. My main point that I keep trying to get across is that the RR driver put his family in danger by not avoiding the mob and therefore he is also partially responsible for the trauma he put his family through. I myself would never put myself in that situation, I may find myself in it unknowingly but I sure as hell would not put myself in it.

[Sam335ix]

Originally Posted by Litos

listen.

with 16 rounds in a gun, you can easily take out one.

if the second one is stupid enough, he's getting blasted too.

that leaves only 14 rounds left.

TRUST ME when I say there are not 14 people in that mob that want to stand within 10 feet of that car at that point.....

14 bullets dude......

some people are brave, but after seeing the THIRD m'fucker get his sternum kissed by a .40 round, I HIGHLY DOUBT that there will be a fourth that thinks he's gonna play the hero.....

Most cc folks carry multiple clips most are good shots.

[pgviper]

Originally Posted by Sam335ix

You need to watch the video, he did SLOW DOWN STOPPED and was attakced. Dude I am done responding to you, your probably a biker and feel sympathy for these idiots or maybe you were one of the riders? Good luck in NY, just don't spread that stupidity down where I live because it won't work out so great for the two wheel biker.

Never ridden a motorcycle. The only people I hate more than assholes are entitled people which is exactly what this RR driver hits me as.

I like to analyze situations from all angles. Clearly your emotions are keeping you from doing so.

[Litos]

Originally Posted by Sam335ix

Most cc folks carry multiple clips most not all are good shots.

I would guess that in most situations, you are not reaching for an extra clip.

if you are - there is some shit that is going down around you that there is probably no chance of surviving....

like zombies.....

just go down shooting....

[BMW F22]

Reading all the comments, I'm surprised so many people would turn to guns. Is that really the answer? I would say that is the very last resort (absolutely the last resort).

[Sam335ix]

Originally Posted by Litos

I would guess that in most situations, you are not reaching for an extra clip.

if you are - there is some shit that is going down around you that there is probably no chance of surviving....

like zombies.....

just go down shooting....

I agree lol, if your reaching for another clip then either your a bad shot or better hope back up is on the way.

[Sam335ix]

Originally Posted by BMW E90

Reading all the comments, I'm surprised so many people would turn to guns. Is that really the answer? I would say that is the very last resort (absolutely the last resort).

Yes it is, read my earlier reply. I would only have pulled the gun when my window was being smashed knowing they were going to get to my famiy or me.... But are you ok for them getting run over instead of getting shot? Pick your poison I guess.

[pgviper]

Originally Posted by BMW E90

Reading all the comments, I'm surprised so many people would turn to guns. Is that really the answer? I would say that is the very last resort (absolutely the last resort).

Same with running people over.

[mact3333]

Originally Posted by pgviper

Same with running people over.

Bro, you keep validating the bikers actions by placing doubt on why the RR was even there to begin with yet you have no idea what lead to this debacle....oh wait a minute, you have said many times you would do the same thing as the RR driver yet you keep justifying the bikers actions.

Then you bring up entitlement because he drives RR...well now I at least understand you motive...you must not have kids cause if you did, you would never take the side of the bikers...mobs should never threaten a family with wife and child present...such a cowardly thing to do...no matter what the RR guy did, you dont do what the bikers did when a child is involved.

Hope they all go to jail...hope you are never in this type of situation with your family as I guarantee you would stop your inane babbling asap.

[Mr Tonka]

Originally Posted by turbolag

Oh, so to change the thinking of the group.

I don't see a simple handgun having high accuracy/taking out 50 people. Shooting the head of the guy makes sense. I was wondering how you'd lean out the window/shoot, since common sense would dictate that I bust my ass out of there even if it meant running people over. But wouldn't killing somebody enrage the group further?

Originally Posted by Litos

listen.

with 16 rounds in a gun, you can easily take out one.

if the second one is stupid enough, he's getting blasted too.

that leaves only 14 rounds left.

TRUST ME when I say there are not 14 people in that mob that want to stand within 10 feet of that car at that point.....

14 bullets dude......

some people are brave, but after seeing the THIRD m'fucker get his sternum kissed by a .40 round, I HIGHLY DOUBT that there will be a fourth that thinks he's gonna play the hero.....

Think of Jack Reacher. You take out the first 3 aggressors and the rest typically scatter. You have to realize that in real life a mob of 20 angry people will likely only have 5 to 7 willing to participate in a violent act. The rest are content with the entertainment by product of the 5 to 7. Take out 3 of those willing to commit a violent act and you will typically diffuse the situation.

I don't advocate the use of a fire arm to simply diffuse a situation. Unless that situation involved the endangerment of my own or my family's lives.

So basically your best case scenario would be to stay in your vehicle and only shoot those who approach it. Hind sight may illuminate the fact that opening fire on those who approach the vehicle may spark a gunfight of sorts in which case may ultimately do more damage than without a firearm. But the moment the guy broke my drivers window with his helmet i'm assuming me and my family are already dead within 2 minutes. I know they have some serious cutlery since my tires are slashed. My first thought is that they are going to stab all of us to death. So my intent would be to do all within my power to keep us alive. As i said, i would have opened up with single shots at anyone who approached the vehicle. Who knows, maybe shots fired would motivate all traffic in front of me to move and i could escape the situation.

Originally Posted by pgviper

Honestly man, I can make a pretty good assumption to the type of people that are on those bikes and it ain't a positive one. Quite honestly, they did get what they deserved. However one thing I do know is that this shit doesn't just start from nothing and since we can only speculate, i'm saying that the guy in the RR put himself in that situation. I am telling you, PEOPLE IN NY HATE TRAFFIC BECAUSE THERE IS SOO MUCH OF IT!!! When you are now stuck in it because of a bunch of asshole bikers it would piss me off also which is exactly why I think this guy just tried to press his way through. I've seen it happen in real life. My main point that I keep trying to get across is that the RR driver put his family in danger by not avoiding the mob and therefore he is also partially responsible for the trauma he put his family through. I myself would never put myself in that situation, I may find myself in it unknowingly but I sure as hell would not put myself in it.

I'm here to tell you that shit does start from nothing. It always has and it always will. If you're saying that honking a horn at some slow moving bikers is starting shit, then i believe your perspective is skewed. As i said, i've been in a very similar situation to this and it started from absolutely nothing.

My best guess is that the bikers swarmed around the RR, started going slow, RR honked at motioned for them to go faster. They start going slower. RR while being distracted by 30 bikes around his vehicle drifts into a bike intending on making the RR go slower. That's my guess on what happened.

To your point, if i were driving the RR while armed as i usually am, i would have about 15 minutes in me before i would take any action and that action would likely be just slowing down even more until they all pass me. Smiling and giving thumbs up to the ass hats as they pass.

While that is my choice and course of action, i can't condemn anyone who honks at fellow road users who have a blatant disregard for others sharing the road.

Originally Posted by Litos

I would guess that in most situations, you are not reaching for an extra clip.

if you are - there is some shit that is going down around you that there is probably no chance of surviving....

like zombies.....

just go down shooting....

Originally Posted by BMW E90

Reading all the comments, I'm surprised so many people would turn to guns. Is that really the answer? I would say that is the very last resort (absolutely the last resort).

All people carrying guns have this mindset already. We don't want to brandish our weapons because if we do, we're already in a life or death situation. It is always the very last resort.

And i'll tell you, because of legal reasons, i am having an increasingly difficult time justifying getting out of my car with a weapon to help someone while they are being dragged out of their vehicle and beaten by an angry mob of uneducated idiots.

[pgviper]

Originally Posted by mact3333

Bro, you keep validating the bikers actions by placing doubt on why the RR was even there to begin with yet you have no idea what lead to this debacle....oh wait a minute, you have said many times you would do the same thing as the RR driver yet you keep justifying the bikers actions.

Then you bring up entitlement because he drives RR...well now I at least understand you motive...you must not have kids cause if you did, you would never take the side of the bikers...mobs should never threaten a family with wife and child present...such a cowardly thing to do...no matter what the RR guy did, you dont do what the bikers did when a child is involved.

Hope they all go to jail...hope you are never in this type of situation with your family as I guarantee you would stop your inane babbling asap.

If I ever justified the bikers actions then I am sorry for portraying an inaccurate opinion. I don't know why I keep coming back to this ridiculous thread but it's probably because we are all so quick to judge the motorcyclists. However the other side to this whole story is the driver himself. The guy is a moron. I know from personal experience that it is ALWAYS best to avoid a situation which this guy clearly didn't do. Hence why my opinion is that he is equally responsible for this mess.

I don't know if it's just around me but the media isn't even showing the first part of this video any more. They are only showing the last couple seconds.

[Small Yellow]

This is horrible... If he had a gun for self protection this probably wouldnt have happened... Yet if he has a gun the bikers can have a gun too... No real safe way out of this.

[pgviper]

Originally Posted by Mr Tonka

Think of Jack Reacher. You take out the first 3 aggressors and the rest typically scatter. You have to realize that in real life a mob of 20 angry people will likely only have 5 to 7 willing to participate in a violent act. The rest are content with the entertainment by product of the 5 to 7. Take out 3 of those willing to commit a violent act and you will typically diffuse the situation.

I don't advocate the use of a fire arm to simply diffuse a situation. Unless that situation involved the endangerment of my own or my family's lives.

So basically your best case scenario would be to stay in your vehicle and only shoot those who approach it. Hind sight may illuminate the fact that opening fire on those who approach the vehicle may spark a gunfight of sorts in which case may ultimately do more damage than without a firearm. But the moment the guy broke my drivers window with his helmet i'm assuming me and my family are already dead within 2 minutes. I know they have some serious cutlery since my tires are slashed. My first thought is that they are going to stab all of us to death. So my intent would be to do all within my power to keep us alive. As i said, i would have opened up with single shots at anyone who approached the vehicle. Who knows, maybe shots fired would motivate all traffic in front of me to move and i could escape the situation.

I'm here to tell you that shit does start from nothing. It always has and it always will. If you're saying that honking a horn at some slow moving bikers is starting shit, then i believe your perspective is skewed. As i said, i've been in a very similar situation to this and it started from absolutely nothing.

My best guess is that the bikers swarmed around the RR, started going slow, RR honked at motioned for them to go faster. They start going slower. RR while being distracted by 30 bikes around his vehicle drifts into a bike intending on making the RR go slower. That's my guess on what happened.

To your point, if i were driving the RR while armed as i usually am, i would have about 15 minutes in me before i would take any action and that action would likely be just slowing down even more until they all pass me. Smiling and giving thumbs up to the ass hats as they pass.

While that is my choice and course of action, i can't condemn anyone who honks at fellow road users who have a blatant disregard for others sharing the road.




All people carrying guns have this mindset already. We don't want to brandish our weapons because if we do, we're already in a life or death situation. It is always the very last resort.

And i'll tell you, because of legal reasons, i am having an increasingly difficult time justifying getting out of my car with a weapon to help someone while they are being dragged out of their vehicle and beaten by an angry mob of uneducated idiots.

I always thoroughly enjoy reading your responses because they are always vextremely well thought out opinions. While I agree with your point that thing do evolve from nothing. I would like for you to put yourself in NYC life for just a second. These highways are ALWAYS packed with cars yet he is the only car stuck in this mob. Also, it's a beautiful sunny afternoon in a congested part of NYC, not the ideal spot to start shit with a truck. That would be left for upstate or eastern long island. Now a Sk yourself, given the background I gave you, how did this guy findhimaelf surrounded on WEST SIDE HIGHWAY in the middle of the day? I'm sorry to all those on team RR but i just don't see how this guy had no out. He easily could have avoided the situation and been proactive instead of reactive. I think he is just as much of an idiot as the "mob".

[Small Yellow]

Originally Posted by pgviper

I always thoroughly enjoy reading your responses because they are always vextremely well thought out opinions. While I agree with your point that thing do evolve from nothing. I would like for you to put yourself in NYC life for just a second. These highways are ALWAYS packed with cars yet he is the only car stuck in this mob. Also, it's a beautiful sunny afternoon in a congested part of NYC, not the ideal spot to start shit with a truck. That would be left for upstate or eastern long island. Now a Sk yourself, given the background I gave you, how did this guy findhimaelf surrounded on WEST SIDE HIGHWAY in the middle of the day? I'm sorry to all those on team RR but i just don't see how this guy had no out. He easily could have avoided the situation and been proactive instead of reactive. I think he is just as much of an idiot as the "mob".

Although we dont know the whole story, during the beginning of the video there is also a white/silver van that passes by after he runs the bikers over. That being said I dont think he is the only one stuck behind this mob.