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      08-06-2016, 02:49 PM   #1
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A question about diet

My cousin is a fitness freak. Bikes 20 Kms avg a day (to and from work). More than happy to hike a mountain and practically jog up and down. My question is this.

The guys got his metabolism set to maximum. Breakfast is an espresso and some digestive cookies. Packs some bananas and fruit plus chocolate and bikes to work. I rarely see him eat meat.

We hiked a mountain one day and aside from one banana his diet was chocolate cookies and lemon water.

At dinner it's fruit again. I've never seen him eat a meal. Once a bowl of soup. This was over a week long visit.

Is this healthy? He burns every calorie he eats. But there's just so much refined sugar in it. I'm afraid his pancreas might exolode.

Should I be concerned?
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      08-06-2016, 04:21 PM   #2
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Very unhealthy. However many people get away with eating like crap,smoking and drinking like fish then live to be 80. He would probably feel much better eating better. But in the end it's all up to genetics.
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      08-06-2016, 04:36 PM   #3
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I agree. He has got to be around 10% or less for body fat. Looks healthy. I'm going to start bugging him before he needs insulin injections.
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I agree. He has got to be around 10% or less for body fat. Looks healthy. I'm going to start bugging him before he needs insulin injections.
He's less than 10%, more like 6-7 I'm guessing. I'm less than 10 but eat ~200 G protein plus carbs and fat. The real question is how old is he...and how soon before he gets too old to be burning sugar for energy at that rate by not being able to do that crazy shit, then he'll be fu**ed.
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I think it is time to change. You can let it eat more meat and vegetables, digesting biscuits and fruits can't provide enough nutrition. If he is a vegetarian, he need some meat substitutes.
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He MAY build up some insulin resistance, but little about that diet seems too bad in terms of developing "the diabeetus" Depending on the fruit eaten, and its glycemic index, he may not really be doing much of the sugar spike. Bananas aren't that bad. Is the chocolate a dark choc, milk choc, or Snickers?
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He MAY build up some insulin resistance, but little about that diet seems too bad in terms of developing "the diabeetus" Depending on the fruit eaten, and its glycemic index, he may not really be doing much of the sugar spike. Bananas aren't that bad. Is the chocolate a dark choc, milk choc, or Snickers?
True. Plus a lot of people don't realize that the types of sugar can affect you in different ways.

Plain sugar = Sucrose.....= bad

Complex Carbs = Glucose.....= Glycemic Index plays a lot of factors here...also combining foods can affect the Index and the spike.

Fruit = Fructose......= Taken up by the liver preferentially before it spills over. So there is less of an impact on sugar spikes depending upon how glycogen depleted the liver and skeletal muscles are.

Now before anyone takes this the wrong way...I'm talking about real Fructose from fruit, not high-fructose corn syrup which is very bad for anyone. And Fructose will still affect sugar spikes, but to a much lower extent than the other two.

A lot of factors come into play such as how insulin resistant the person is, health of the pancreas, etc. So what I mentioned above shouldn't be taken as a "blanket statement".

I'm not a doctor, but someone who has grown up around diabetics all my life. Plus I have actually went through the process of testing myself years ago. I may be a nerd in that aspect, but seeing as I had access to free strips and a glucose monitor...and had always been involved with diet and exercise...I would "fast" and eat different foods, then test my glucose levels. I still have notebooks lying around somewhere with all this in it.

At the time...it was just for my benefit as I was a fanatic about how dietary changes affected someone's insulin response, leptin levels, and thyroid output..... and how it all tied in with exercise.

But that was years ago...and I don't have nearly as much time for researching it as I used to.
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He sounds like an athlete that knows his own body. He is still in his prime and quite frankly, when one is constantly training you eat what gives you the most energy. Nothing wrong with six percent body fat but that will change as he gets older. I used to eat oatmeal and pineapple for dinner several nights a week for competing in tennis. Felt great. Only male in my family not to have a heart attack, knock on wood.
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Type 1 since 1979 or so. . . still learning to control blood sugar swings.
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Type 1 since 1979 or so. . . still learning to control blood sugar swings.
I hear you. Both my parents are type 2...now brother is on the verge of it.

It's a hard life I have watched them live. People don't relate to how different things are for the people who have it. It's not like you can say...."Just eat this".....your body actually crave things differently.
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He sounds like an athlete that knows his own body. He is still in his prime and quite frankly, when one is constantly training you eat what gives you the most energy. Nothing wrong with six percent body fat but that will change as he gets older. I used to eat oatmeal and pineapple for dinner several nights a week for competing in tennis. Felt great. Only male in my family not to have a heart attack, knock on wood.
It doesn't have to.

I usually go no higher than 12% in the cooler months, and go back down to around 6% in the warmer months for tank-top and beach weather.

Been doing it for years and I'm 45.
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Agreed...when one hits about 60 and the injuries occur, physical rehab and not getting paid for participating lends itself to some weight gain. Keep going strong!
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Agreed...when one hits about 60 and the injuries occur, physical rehab and not getting paid for participating lends itself to some weight gain. Keep going strong!
Oh....I agree. I don't use anywhere near the weights today that I did 10 years ago. But I built a pretty good base.

I'm 5'7"....and about 9-10% at 190lbs-195lbs.....that seems to be my comfort spot!

But being healthy when older is what I'm gearing myself to be. I do see myself gradually loosing weight as I age as even though I think I carry a fair bit of muscle....weight is weight when your heart and cardiovascular system is involved. It doesn't distinguish between fat and muscle past a point anyway.

I look at my gym older as inspiration.

He's in his 60's, uses respectable weights, and stays in good enough shape to go shirtless year round. But he's the same height as me and probably weighs in the 170lb range.

So just dedication and being consistent......and he lives the lifestyle.
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He MAY build up some insulin resistance, but little about that diet seems too bad in terms of developing "the diabeetus" Depending on the fruit eaten, and its glycemic index, he may not really be doing much of the sugar spike. Bananas aren't that bad. Is the chocolate a dark choc, milk choc, or Snickers?
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