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      08-06-2016, 03:49 PM   #1
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A question about diet

My cousin is a fitness freak. Bikes 20 Kms avg a day (to and from work). More than happy to hike a mountain and practically jog up and down. My question is this.

The guys got his metabolism set to maximum. Breakfast is an espresso and some digestive cookies. Packs some bananas and fruit plus chocolate and bikes to work. I rarely see him eat meat.

We hiked a mountain one day and aside from one banana his diet was chocolate cookies and lemon water.

At dinner it's fruit again. I've never seen him eat a meal. Once a bowl of soup. This was over a week long visit.

Is this healthy? He burns every calorie he eats. But there's just so much refined sugar in it. I'm afraid his pancreas might exolode.

Should I be concerned?
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Very unhealthy. However many people get away with eating like crap,smoking and drinking like fish then live to be 80. He would probably feel much better eating better. But in the end it's all up to genetics.
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      08-06-2016, 05:36 PM   #3
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I agree. He has got to be around 10% or less for body fat. Looks healthy. I'm going to start bugging him before he needs insulin injections.
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I agree. He has got to be around 10% or less for body fat. Looks healthy. I'm going to start bugging him before he needs insulin injections.
He's less than 10%, more like 6-7 I'm guessing. I'm less than 10 but eat ~200 G protein plus carbs and fat. The real question is how old is he...and how soon before he gets too old to be burning sugar for energy at that rate by not being able to do that crazy shit, then he'll be fu**ed.
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      08-06-2016, 11:53 PM   #5
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I think it is time to change. You can let it eat more meat and vegetables, digesting biscuits and fruits can't provide enough nutrition. If he is a vegetarian, he need some meat substitutes.
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He MAY build up some insulin resistance, but little about that diet seems too bad in terms of developing "the diabeetus" Depending on the fruit eaten, and its glycemic index, he may not really be doing much of the sugar spike. Bananas aren't that bad. Is the chocolate a dark choc, milk choc, or Snickers?
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He MAY build up some insulin resistance, but little about that diet seems too bad in terms of developing "the diabeetus" Depending on the fruit eaten, and its glycemic index, he may not really be doing much of the sugar spike. Bananas aren't that bad. Is the chocolate a dark choc, milk choc, or Snickers?
True. Plus a lot of people don't realize that the types of sugar can affect you in different ways.

Plain sugar = Sucrose.....= bad

Complex Carbs = Glucose.....= Glycemic Index plays a lot of factors here...also combining foods can affect the Index and the spike.

Fruit = Fructose......= Taken up by the liver preferentially before it spills over. So there is less of an impact on sugar spikes depending upon how glycogen depleted the liver and skeletal muscles are.

Now before anyone takes this the wrong way...I'm talking about real Fructose from fruit, not high-fructose corn syrup which is very bad for anyone. And Fructose will still affect sugar spikes, but to a much lower extent than the other two.

A lot of factors come into play such as how insulin resistant the person is, health of the pancreas, etc. So what I mentioned above shouldn't be taken as a "blanket statement".

I'm not a doctor, but someone who has grown up around diabetics all my life. Plus I have actually went through the process of testing myself years ago. I may be a nerd in that aspect, but seeing as I had access to free strips and a glucose monitor...and had always been involved with diet and exercise...I would "fast" and eat different foods, then test my glucose levels. I still have notebooks lying around somewhere with all this in it.

At the time...it was just for my benefit as I was a fanatic about how dietary changes affected someone's insulin response, leptin levels, and thyroid output..... and how it all tied in with exercise.

But that was years ago...and I don't have nearly as much time for researching it as I used to.
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He sounds like an athlete that knows his own body. He is still in his prime and quite frankly, when one is constantly training you eat what gives you the most energy. Nothing wrong with six percent body fat but that will change as he gets older. I used to eat oatmeal and pineapple for dinner several nights a week for competing in tennis. Felt great. Only male in my family not to have a heart attack, knock on wood.
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Type 1 since 1979 or so. . . still learning to control blood sugar swings.
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Type 1 since 1979 or so. . . still learning to control blood sugar swings.
I hear you. Both my parents are type 2...now brother is on the verge of it.

It's a hard life I have watched them live. People don't relate to how different things are for the people who have it. It's not like you can say...."Just eat this".....your body actually crave things differently.
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He sounds like an athlete that knows his own body. He is still in his prime and quite frankly, when one is constantly training you eat what gives you the most energy. Nothing wrong with six percent body fat but that will change as he gets older. I used to eat oatmeal and pineapple for dinner several nights a week for competing in tennis. Felt great. Only male in my family not to have a heart attack, knock on wood.
It doesn't have to.

I usually go no higher than 12% in the cooler months, and go back down to around 6% in the warmer months for tank-top and beach weather.

Been doing it for years and I'm 45.
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Agreed...when one hits about 60 and the injuries occur, physical rehab and not getting paid for participating lends itself to some weight gain. Keep going strong!
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Agreed...when one hits about 60 and the injuries occur, physical rehab and not getting paid for participating lends itself to some weight gain. Keep going strong!
Oh....I agree. I don't use anywhere near the weights today that I did 10 years ago. But I built a pretty good base.

I'm 5'7"....and about 9-10% at 190lbs-195lbs.....that seems to be my comfort spot!

But being healthy when older is what I'm gearing myself to be. I do see myself gradually loosing weight as I age as even though I think I carry a fair bit of muscle....weight is weight when your heart and cardiovascular system is involved. It doesn't distinguish between fat and muscle past a point anyway.

I look at my gym older as inspiration.

He's in his 60's, uses respectable weights, and stays in good enough shape to go shirtless year round. But he's the same height as me and probably weighs in the 170lb range.

So just dedication and being consistent......and he lives the lifestyle.
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He MAY build up some insulin resistance, but little about that diet seems too bad in terms of developing "the diabeetus" Depending on the fruit eaten, and its glycemic index, he may not really be doing much of the sugar spike. Bananas aren't that bad. Is the chocolate a dark choc, milk choc, or Snickers?
Dark chocolate. Quality stuff. 80-90% dark.
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Taking a balanced diet is really essential and doctors' advice is doing exercise while taking a well-balanced diet. They do not say "do not eat and exercise". Your cousin may face health issues when time passes as his body does not get enough nutrients
Your post is why i created this thread. I am dreadfully fearful that either his pancreas could fail causing diabetes. Ir worse yet cancer.

Ive yet to hear o e shred of evidence to back his lifestyle other than those that are living it. And those that are are not over 50.
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There is definitely a time and place to eat like this if he is a high level elite athlete and the training load justifies it. I train around 70 miles a week of running, my pace for all these miles are under 7 minutes for the whole week with some speed days in the 4:40-5:00 mile range. An average person burns about 100 calories a mile running vs I burn only about 60 calories. So at 60- 70 calories a mile I have some days I have burned 3-4K calories between hours of running and daily burn. Runs this long require sugar and salt, that’s about it to keep going. That’s why you watch The Boston marathon and Tour de France they are basically just consuming electrolytes, salt and sugar. Because that’s all you really need to keep going. So I can see why he eats a banana chocolate milk and cookies because that maintains your glycogen levels which is what you need to keep going after 90 minutes of high intensity activity. After 90 minutes of running your glycogen levels are depleted and you will start to cramp and massively fatigue which will put you in a daze real quick.

Now as far as after workout nutrition, that is absolutely a bad diet. If your not trying to lose weight you want make up that workout/calorie deficient with clean foods and carbs. Carbs are key for high level training athletes such as bikers and runners who workout for hours back to back with an elevated heart rate. I do not buy into the eat more meats etc. I train on a vegan diet and have been performing better than I have in my life.

Sorry for the novel but in short can he maintain with that diet yes because it all acts as fuel. But it’s a whole different story what it’s doing to everything else in his body from his muscles, heart health, blood sugar levels etc etc etc....the list could go on. Food is you fuel, whatever you put in the tank you get out. If you eat like garbage you get garbage results.

As you can see I’m passionate on the subject, I just see so many athletes that have the potential to reach amazing levels but wreck it by under eating or eating garbage just because they workout.
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There is definitely a time and place to eat like this if he is a high level elite athlete and the training load justifies it. I train around 70 miles a week of running, my pace for all these miles are under 7 minutes for the whole week with some speed days in the 4:40-5:00 mile range. An average person burns about 100 calories a mile running vs I burn only about 60 calories. So at 60- 70 calories a mile I have some days I have burned 3-4K calories between hours of running and daily burn. Runs this long require sugar and salt, thatís about it to keep going. Thatís why you watch The Boston marathon and Tour de France they are basically just consuming electrolytes, salt and sugar. Because thatís all you really need to keep going. So I can see why he eats a banana chocolate milk and cookies because that maintains your glycogen levels which is what you need to keep going after 90 minutes of high intensity activity. After 90 minutes of running your glycogen levels are depleted and you will start to cramp and massively fatigue which will put you in a daze real quick.

Now as far as after workout nutrition, that is absolutely a bad diet. If your not trying to lose weight you want make up that workout/calorie deficient with clean foods and carbs. Carbs are key for high level training athletes such as bikers and runners who workout for hours back to back with an elevated heart rate. I do not buy into the eat more meats etc. I train on a vegan diet and have been performing better than I have in my life.

Sorry for the novel but in short can he maintain with that diet yes because it all acts as fuel. But itís a whole different story what itís doing to everything else in his body from his muscles, heart health, blood sugar levels etc etc etc....the list could go on. Food is you fuel, whatever you put in the tank you get out. If you eat like garbage you get garbage results.

As you can see Iím passionate on the subject, I just see so many athletes that have the potential to reach amazing levels but wreck it by under eating or eating garbage just because they workout.

I always tell people that working out is the easy part....and that success/progress was 80%+ nutrition.

You sound like you know what your body needs. I always look at my meals as what next activity it will be fueling. I gave up personal training years ago because I got tired of people not listening...or guessing at things.

Just keep doing what they are doing and they look the same or worse year after year.
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I've had thin, healthy-looking patients with Diabetes. But from how you describe this guy it sounds like the bigger concern is how little he eats. The body needs micro and macronutrients such as protein to survive. Physical weakness aside, this can lead to anemia, leukocytosis predisposing him to infections, cardiomyopathies, etc.

Regardless of how high his A1c is (indicator of Diabetes), this is a very unhealthy lifestyle and it will catch up with him.
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Everyones body and how it responds to exercise and diet are different. There's a spectrum yes, but there are always outliers.
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Sure it's no good. He can feel fine now but all abd effects will show off later. It's better to change cookies into nuts with honey, fruits or smth.
Get him to change his mind. Lol.
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