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      08-12-2020, 10:59 PM   #1
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Lucid Air. Or as I have dubbed it, 'Tesla Killer.'

https://interestingengineering.com/n...teslas-model-s

Things have become quite interesting in the world of EV wars.

Well done Lucid in Cali!
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      08-13-2020, 07:50 AM   #2
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It's a dime a dozen for upstarts. Tesla has the infrastructure that is ahead. Not saying there may not be better alternatives but the structure to manufacture and sell is not necessarily there yet.
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Is it me or do the seats look like aliens?

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This is another "flying car" - doesn't exist until it's in production.
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Vaporware will not kill Tesla. No car that starts at $60K will kill Tesla.

It will take a sub $30K EV with 250-300 mile range to possibly do that. Even then, Tesla is so far ahead of everyone else that even that won't do it.
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It's a dime a dozen for upstarts. Tesla has the infrastructure that is ahead. Not saying there may not be better alternatives but the structure to manufacture and sell is not necessarily there yet.
Well stated - and Tesla is also fully integrated vertically, heck they mine the lithium from the earth, build the cars with renewable energy, and sell solar panels, solar tiles, and battery storage for the homeowners, thereby getting all of the consumer's money start-to-stop (pun intended).

Tesla make an amazing product, and some dude on CNBC pointed out something very interesting about the future of Tesla. Basically in the future, people with Tesla will essentially operate in a mesh network of 'micro-micro' power grids. Pushing to the power grid, it's all in very early nascent stages, but I can totally see that happening.

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      08-13-2020, 09:34 AM   #8
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I actually like the look of this one more than the model S, but I agree, I wont hold my breath until they reach mass production.
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Agree with the above, greatest product in the world is only part of the problem. Sometime in 2021 I might be able to buy one but from where and if something goes wrong with it what then? Tesla has now been around for over 15 years and their sales/support system is still a problem for many but far ahead of any startup.

I am also skeptical that there won't be problems with the car from any startup creating a completely new car and quickly ramping up production.
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They would realistically need to be bought out or partnered with a larger established car company. It would only exist as a boutique limited run car otherwise. That may be their goal tho, high price and exclusive.
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There’s an EV war?
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      08-13-2020, 11:25 AM   #12
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This is another "flying car" - doesn't exist until it's in production.
The factory is in construction so I think it is unfair to call it vaperwear.
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      08-13-2020, 12:14 PM   #13
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Tesla's competition is still in version .01 alpha 45.
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The factory is in construction so I think it is unfair to call it vaperwear.
that actual means it is vaporware. might be moving toward reality, but still solid vaporware.

I think there's room for more, I wish them luck, love competition, so not knocking them.. but point made earlier, these startups are dime a dozen.

To date, 100% failure rate of EV startups beyond Tesla. lucid has a 6 year journey ahead of them before it can be established as a EV. Faraday is strait-up scam, Fiskar is a criminal, guy should be in jail. Rivan seems to be the leader for next up EV, the big companies are starting to make moves and have a much shorter runway to validity since they have the entire manufacturing and sales/distro/service pipeline in place.

even if Lucid comes out in 1-2 years, it may never get off the ground.. I'd say they have about a 20% chance of success.. and that's being honest and realistic best-case.
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The factory is in construction so I think it is unfair to call it vaperwear.
I mean, same with Faraday Future. But I think we all know they are never going to produce a car.
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For added reference:

https://www.energystartups.org/startup/lucidmotors/
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I think this company has a better chance than most of the independent EV manufacturers out there. They have solid funding, technology is well thought out and the performance, at least in preliminary testing, seems to be all there.

I do agree that most of these companies will end up as acquisition targets by legacy automakers though.
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They did EPA testing, which means they must have conformal test vehicles. That means they probably have something going on as far as production resources and capability. Nowhere near the infrastructure of Tesla, but if they don't over-extend themselves and build within their capability, they have the potential to eventually build up to be "as big as" Tesla.
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They did EPA testing, which means they must have conformal test vehicles. That means they probably have something going on as far as production resources and capability. Nowhere near the infrastructure of Tesla, but if they don't over-extend themselves and build within their capability, they have the potential to eventually build up to be "as big as" Tesla.
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I do agree that most of these companies will end up as acquisition targets by legacy automakers though.
At this point I have serious doubts about one of the startups being acquired by a larger company unless this means they go bankrupt or close to it and there is technology worth paying for.

The manufacturing facilities aren't worth buying and I think any technology you would purchase would be the battery or electric motors. Complete buying decision would be whether or not these two items are worth buying based on the cost and what they have compared to what the large manufacturer has.

For a long time people talked about another manufacturer buying Tesla but at the value of their stock it never made (or makes) any sense. At this point, with their current value I can't see anyone being able to buy them up.
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