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      12-07-2021, 04:24 PM   #903
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It's easy for any driver to be calculating with rocket PU like in 44 car, it's exactly why Max has to drive at max always while take it easy Ham could rocket away but doesn't want to strain the mechanics too much and of course the tyres.
Max had all early season to be calculated when the RB was significantly faster than the merc, if he had done so at silverstone the championship would be over. But he wanted to be "ballsy" and never give an inch, and thus got shunted and dnf'ed. If he had decided to live another day and backed off the story would be over now.
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      12-08-2021, 01:49 AM   #905
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Max had all early season to be calculated when the RB was significantly faster than the merc, if he had done so at silverstone the championship would be over. But he wanted to be "ballsy" and never give an inch, and thus got shunted and dnf'ed. If he had decided to live another day and backed off the story would be over now.
Back off for what? Ham put himself in a position to hit him not to overtake him and it is seen from all the graphs and pics that he positioned himself in the middle of the track quickly not on the apex where he should have been to specifically ram Max. Ham should have been black flagged for doing that but of course it's Mercafia.
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Back off for what? Ham put himself in a position to hit him not to overtake him and it is seen from all the graphs and pics that he positioned himself in the middle of the track quickly not on the apex where he should have been to specifically ram Max. Ham should have been black flagged for doing that but of course it's Mercafia.
First off Ham was ahead going into the corner and max left him no space to even attempt the inside line, this was similar to what Max did in Brazil, so by your logic Max should have also gotten a black flag (only difference was Ham was smart enough to move). Ham also got a penalty for this move, and Max didn't even get an investigation so by your logic (if a decision isn't in your favor it is a conspiracy to get you) it is Maxfia.

Second in response to "back off for what", this is where race iq and maturity comes into play, in the term live to fight another day. Max should have realized he was ahead by alot in the championship so he has more to lose, thus he should have played it safe and back off to avoid any damage. But Max lacks the maturity to do so and wants to fight every single second even when it is not beneficial or wise to do so, as shown by him battling a back marker in Ocon at the end of the race for literally no reason at all.
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      12-08-2021, 02:23 AM   #907
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So, we have here the moments Mercafia did not investigate.
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      12-08-2021, 02:26 AM   #908
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More Mercafia confusion.
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First off Ham was ahead going into the corner and max left him no space to even attempt the inside line, this was similar to what Max did in Brazil, so by your logic Max should have also gotten a black flag (only difference was Ham was smart enough to move). Ham also got a penalty for this move, and Max didn't even get an investigation so by your logic (if a decision isn't in your favor it is a conspiracy to get you) it is Maxfia.

Second in response to "back off for what", this is where race iq and maturity comes into play, in the term live to fight another day. Max should have realized he was ahead by alot in the championship so he has more to lose, thus he should have played it safe and back off to avoid any damage. But Max lacks the maturity to do so and wants to fight every single second even when it is not beneficial or wise to do so, as shown by him battling a back marker in Ocon at the end of the race for literally no reason at all.
Kimi has said that he has had a ton of advice which he puts straight into the bin, he does what he thinks and that's what gets him through.
If Max listened to some of the advice on here then he'd only have half the points he has now at this stage, what you fail to take on board f87 is that you cannot change a persons character and remember where the rest are...nowhere.
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Kimi has said that he has had a ton of advice which he puts straight into the bin, he does what he thinks and that's what gets him through.
If Max listened to some of the advice on here then he'd only have half the points he has now at this stage, what you fail to take on board f87 is that you cannot change a persons character and remember where the rest are...nowhere.
Thats rubbish though isn't it, Lewis often went for things that weren't on early in his career but change and evolved to go for the right moves most of the time. Yes he like other drives are human and can and do get things wrong but that is far less today than when he started racing.

Max on the other hand has been in more bad and dangerous situations this year than ever before. Maybe the team have given him unrealistic expectations on him that has applied pressure that makes the bad judgements.

Look at when he tagged Ocon in Brazil years ago as a back marker. He had lots to lose but his brain wouldn't let him, but to be the best it needs to.

To win you have to finish, you can be amazing but if you don't cross the line it doesn't matter a jot. Max could have won now if he had backed out of the Silverstone incident, exactly as Leclerc did in an IDENTICAL overtake but he didn't.

So we go into the final race, nobody quite clear what is or isn't allowed but its quite clear Max will try anything under the son to do 'Whatever it take regardless of the rules to win'.

And that is why many love him but also why neutrals and fans of other drives think he doesn't deserve to be winner because of the way he drives.
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Thats rubbish though isn't it, Lewis often went for things that weren't on early in his career but change and evolved to go for the right moves most of the time. Yes he like other drives are human and can and do get things wrong but that is far less today than when he started racing.

Max on the other hand has been in more bad and dangerous situations this year than ever before. Maybe the team have given him unrealistic expectations on him that has applied pressure that makes the bad judgements.

Look at when he tagged Ocon in Brazil years ago as a back marker. He had lots to lose but his brain wouldn't let him, but to be the best it needs to.

To win you have to finish, you can be amazing but if you don't cross the line it doesn't matter a jot. Max could have won now if he had backed out of the Silverstone incident, exactly as Leclerc did in an IDENTICAL overtake but he didn't.

So we go into the final race, nobody quite clear what is or isn't allowed but its quite clear Max will try anything under the son to do 'Whatever it take regardless of the rules to win'.

And that is why many love him but also why neutrals and fans of other drives think he doesn't deserve to be winner because of the way he drives.
Ham has always had the superior car since '14 so it's easy for him to 'back out' and then he tries again on the straight and overtakes, easy peasy for him, the others haven't a chance so they do anything it takes to stay ahead knowing if he gets past then it's game over, does that make sense to you.
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Ham has always had the superior car since '14 so it's easy for him to 'back out' and then he tries again on the straight and overtakes, easy peasy for him, the others haven't a chance so they do anything it takes to stay ahead knowing if he gets past then it's game over, does that make sense to you.
Drivers can't do anything regardless of the rules to stay ahead. How does it benefit Max to illegally overtake or defend only to be ordered to give the position back and also get a time penalty? It's that same mindset to break any rules to keep position and never ever yield a position to HAM which has prevented Max from winning the championship already.
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Drivers can't do anything regardless of the rules to stay ahead. How does it benefit Max to illegally overtake or defend only to be ordered to give the position back and also get a time penalty? It's that same mindset to break any rules to keep position and never ever yield a position to HAM which has prevented Max from winning the championship already.
The rules have been piled on over the years especially since 2014 onwards to make it easy for Merc and harder for the rest and it's been said by many that Merc is let off many things, lately as stated on post 914.
Outgoing AR driver Kimi has said that F1 is now too political with Alonso backing that up confirming other drivers other than ham are treated differently by the gov body.
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The rules have been piled on over the years especially since 2014 onwards to make it easy for Merc and harder for the rest and it's been said by many that Merc is let off many things, lately as stated on post 914.
Outgoing AR driver Kimi has said that F1 is now too political with Alonso backing that up confirming other drivers other than ham are treated differently by the gov body.
You mean the way other drivers complained how Max received preferential treatment in Brazil?
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You mean the way other drivers complained how Max received preferential treatment in Brazil?
Funny they don't complain when your driver is let off many things..would to be 'we'll cut your Merc PU supply if you say anything against us' eh.
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It's official, Hell has frozen over ladies and gents.

https://thesportsrush.com/f1-news-wh...di-arabian-gp/

"Red Bull advisor Helmut Marko admits that what he said about Max Verstappen and Lewis Hamilton’s crash in Jeddah was ‘not correct’. "
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It's official, Hell has frozen over ladies and gents.

https://thesportsrush.com/f1-news-wh...di-arabian-gp/

"Red Bull advisor Helmut Marko admits that what he said about Max Verstappen and Lewis Hamilton’s crash in Jeddah was ‘not correct’. "
Too bad he doesn't post in these forums. It'd be a nice change to debate with Helmut Marko. Read the last sentence over again.
Yes, that's how bad it is…
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Too bad he doesn't post in these forums. It'd be a nice change to debate with Helmut Marko. Read the last sentence over again.
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Red Bull’s motorsport advisor Marko was furious with the decision in the immediate aftermath of this event. He said that his team had proof which would show the stewards that Max was innocent.

However, Marko has since apologized for saying that. He took back his words and admitted that he was wrong.

“At the time of the television interviews, I passed on exactly the information that I had received from the engineers beforehand.” said the Austrian.

“They were obviously not correct, so I’m sorry for that.”
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ALso.... finally a proper data trace with enough resolution to see what happened.

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ALso.... finally a proper data trace with enough resolution to see what happened.

6:19 to skip all of the nonsense. They're using the same telemetry chart.

Definite DRS posturing and pacing from VER, maybe also from HAM. Bad timing with VER's increased braking simultaneous to HAM's acceleration and attempted pass. Not a brake check and intentional collision.
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Ham has always had the superior car since '14 so it's easy for him to 'back out' and then he tries again on the straight and overtakes, easy peasy for him, the others haven't a chance so they do anything it takes to stay ahead knowing if he gets past then it's game over, does that make sense to you.
Lewis hasn't had the superior car all this season though has he that has been obvious. And when in your other comment you mention that rules are biased towards one team or another I take it thats a joke?

Both have come up with new and innovative features, flexi wings, both, Clever steering, Merc and many more for them to be stopped or allowed for a season due to how clever they have been.

F1 has been like that for years as has any other motorsport, you make the most of what you have. Spending isn't all that dissimilar either when you look at the spending across RB+Toro and Merc so thats not the big issue you state. If it was Ferrari the biggest spender of the lot would be winning as they have the biggest budget and have for decades and where are they?
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Lewis hasn't had the superior car all this season though has he that has been obvious. And when in your other comment you mention that rules are biased towards one team or another I take it thats a joke?

Both have come up with new and innovative features, flexi wings, both, Clever steering, Merc and many more for them to be stopped or allowed for a season due to how clever they have been.

F1 has been like that for years as has any other motorsport, you make the most of what you have. Spending isn't all that dissimilar either when you look at the spending across RB+Toro and Merc so thats not the big issue you state. If it was Ferrari the biggest spender of the lot would be winning as they have the biggest budget and have for decades and where are they?
Sure Merc seemingly didn't have a superior car earlier on then look what they had on the shelf waiting in such an event and also the dirties against Max via Bot and Ham, nothing much was made out of that as to Max's defending now...look what Bernie has to say about it.
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