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05-12-2021, 08:32 AM | #45 |
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We looked at
X5 Telluride Gv80 Rx350 Atlas GLE 450 And drove nearly all. I will tell you the wife (non car person) didn’t like the materiality of the lesser models and the gauges/instrumentation of the Lexus. To compare the two types isn’t quite appropriate. This is a typical “my underdog is as good as xxxx” story humanity is famous for. At MSRP these cars are where they should be, mostly. I still think the GV80 is punching above it’s acceptable weight as the fit, finish and materials are that of a lesser high end at best. Engines were all lacking comparatively and had turbo 4 a majority of the time or some breathless under 300 Hp v6. The MB we only digitally shopped had a v8 at the same price point and one of the highest towing capacities correspondingly. |
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05-12-2021, 09:14 AM | #46 |
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You sure you looked at the right one? The GLE 450 has the turbo 6 and the 580 has the v8. The 580 starts at 80k with no options and sits at 86-90k after a few of the common options. That's the same price as a X5m50i and much more expensive than anything else you listed.
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3 row SUV or minivan? I'd opt for fewer passengers
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05-12-2021, 11:13 AM | #49 |
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Supply and demand = more profits for dealers willing to ask for a premium. No car is worth a premium over MSRP.
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Unless towing, i cannot FATHOM why anyone would do a 3 row SUV over a minivan. I simply do not get it.
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I guess minivans are perceived as boring or lame, but it's not like bus-sized SUVs are lambos... The only (real) 3 row SUV that looks decent to me is the X7.
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And just to throw further confusion on that segment...the BMW 5 Series wagon as well as the Mercedes E Class wagon can tow very nearly as much as the three row SUVs in question (4400-4600 lbs vs. 5000 lbs, braked trailer capacity). Wagons aren't easy to find over here but as far as I know the sedans can do the same. Ask which I'd rather drive...
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Also, an SUV is like a pair of jeans–you can wear it anywhere: work, garage, camping, church, a nice dinner. It fits. A minivan is basically cargo shorts.
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The minivan has went the way of the station wagon and AFAIK there are only 6 models you can buy now and 2 of them don't even trim that high. So you're left with 4 vehicles if you want an OK trimmed minivan. If you want AWD there are 2. Actually there are less minivan than wagons now.
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Kia is trying to style the minivan to look more like an suv while still being a minivan, I think it doesnt look half bad to be honest, plus its hugely practical after watching a few videos of all the interior arrangements. |
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This is already in the group I was talking about. It's also in the group that doesn't offer AWD. I do agree that they did a good job with the styling as they actually look better in real life than in that picture.
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Same here, my wife said over a decade ago when we had our first kid..... minivans are what happens when you give up on your own ambitions and loose your individuality as a person, and become a "mother", its funny she said that because she's literally the most dedicated mother to our kids, except when it comes to what she drives .
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Picture for reference. About 4500 lbs on this trailer. |
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