2019 Z4

Vetracr · 11-11-2018, 08:50 AM

I have a current generation E89 Z4 and I love the looks of the car. The new Z4 is longer, wider, taller and probably heavier, does not come with 6 speed transmission and will probably cost a lot more. Not to mention that the Toyota Supra coupe is the same car with a Toyota badge. Not a good image for BMW if you care for such things. Back to the car itself. I find the front end to be a jumble of mismatched lines, curves and odd shaped openings. It does not flow like the E89 front end. The side and rear views are ok but nothing exciting. I read some of the specs in Roundel and noticably absent for a supposed "sports car" was no mention of a water temperature gauge, an oil pressure gauge, shift lights or other sports car instrumentation. The only thing highlighted were the infotainment additions. Unfortunately BMW is evolving away from its "ultimate driving experience" mantra across its product line. Like all other companies its devoting its development efforts to sports activity and sports utility vehicles. BMW is pushing the envelope with its turbo charged engine development. Unfortunately all that power can only be used for a lap or two on track before the cars go into limp mode. Frankly I like a coupe better than a convertible so I will wait to see what the Supra looks like. Only time will tell. In the mean time I'll keep my Z4.

paris1 · 11-11-2018, 11:15 AM

I haven't done a lot of in depth reading about the new Z4/Supra as our current E89 is my wife's DD and not something we would replace with a subsequent model. However I'm curious about the drive train. Are both manufacturers using the same basic engine and will both be built in the same factory a-la Mazda Miata/Fiat 124 (which, I know, uses an FCA engine)?

tranquility · 11-11-2018, 02:47 PM

Does anyone feel the way I feel? Basically, I dunno what the heck BMW is doing, they can't seem to make up their mind about what they want in the Z line...718 competitor? SLK? Hybrid? I'm pretty objective because I don't have the typical 'I own my car so it's the best' mentality. Heck, I was disappointed when they ditched the E85/86 for our E89. Yes, the hard-top is a vast improvement and I'd never consider a rag, the DCT's great, but I didn't like that it was quite bigger/heavier. They should've just used our front and modernized the first Z4. I would've gone for the E86 if not the Z4MC.

Now this latest one is yet another regression and disappointment esp w/ all the hoopla, going back to the rag. The front looks alright but the rear is quirky, kinda like the opposite of the new AM Vantage. The power increase isn't that amazing esp compared to a 35is. They also lost the DCT for a slushbox? Are they just throwing darts and picking what stuff to put into their cars now? No idea who's the target market here. It's a big pass for me.

airmarc · 11-12-2018, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Crazy8

I've been really trying to like it but the more I look at it, the more hideous it looks to me. I'm sure it will be a great performer but it looks like they took several other cars and awkwardly stuck them together. To each their own I guess....

Im glad Im not the only one that thinks its hideous. Nothing redeeming about it. Keeping mine and happy about it!

Eltee · 11-12-2018, 06:46 PM

"They also lost the DCT for a slushbox?"
Is that for real??
My entire life I've had manuals, and swore I'd never make the switch. However after driving a 35i with DCT, I did make the change and really enjoy it.
The concept looked pretty cool, but I too think the final product isn't so great.
If indeed there is no DCT, then forget it. It's a no brainer, I'll keep my 2011 !

Ec.suyu · 11-13-2018, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Eltee

"They also lost the DCT for a slushbox?"
Is that for real??
My entire life I've had manuals, and swore I'd never make the switch. However after driving a 35i with DCT, I did make the change and really enjoy it.
The concept looked pretty cool, but I too think the final product isn't so great.
If indeed there is no DCT, then forget it. It's a no brainer, I'll keep my 2011 !

I believe the only confirmed manual is on the 20i for the 2019 Z4 destined for the euro market. US/NA gets nothing but 8 speed.

I honestly felt part of the reason was the return to the ragtop + that front grill...not BMW at all. Take a look at this render of the Z4M coupe by top speed with the old style grill and hard top. If this was made, I feel it stays much closer to the BMW styling we are all used to. It even makes the lights less out of place.

https://www.bmwblog.com/2018/11/11/b...-by-top-speed/

tranquility · 11-13-2018, 01:49 AM

It looks more like a Merc than a BMW.

Lurcher · 11-13-2018, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by tranquility

It looks more like a Merc than a BMW.

It looks more like a Nissan 370z....

tranquility · 11-13-2018, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Lurcher

It looks more like a Nissan 370z....

Ya, was gonna mention that too, the side view of the rear lights, definitely.

Vetracr · 11-14-2018, 11:11 AM

I wonder if anyone from BMW reads these posts and if they do, do they really care that the new Z4 is getting less than a stellar reception from from the hard core base of Z4 owners?

Coercion Shaman · 11-14-2018, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Vetracr

I wonder if anyone from BMW reads these posts and if they do, do they really care that the new Z4 is getting less than a stellar reception from from the hard core base of Z4 owners?

Probably not and definitely not.

They are looking for a wider customer base than the current 'hard core' base provides for more sales.

tranquility · 11-14-2018, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Vetracr

I wonder if anyone from BMW reads these posts and if they do, do they really care that the new Z4 is getting less than a stellar reception from from the hard core base of Z4 owners?

Ya, I agree w/ the OP, very doubtful, esp looking at how the line has been 'developing' w/ each successive model. It's supposed to be the most sporty line, but it's anything but that w/ 1/2-hearted efforts.

sjeupie · 11-25-2018, 04:57 AM

Don't like it one bit from the exterior. The classic timeless cool design in the swooping lines of the e89 and predessors are completely gone. The trunk is too long, the seemingly shorter hood seems only to slope down instead of a the e89s 'wave'. Front wheels are too far back. All those over aggressive lines on a car thats not a racer anyway with all its luxory and weight....

I imagine myself being on a weekend trip with my girl, rolling in a quiet French village for a coffee and showing up with this attention seeker with its Merc front/350z side and fartugly back. I'd feel pretty emberrased parking that sob. In my e89 I get tons of hate on the road already. I can only image with the new wannabee how bad it will get.

Nah, a roadster to me is subdued power and class. Something Aston Martin does manage. This new Z does not provide that the slightest imho. Give me my e89 or any older model for that.

airwalk776 · 11-25-2018, 01:10 PM

Is it true the 2019 z4 was developed in partnership with Toyota ?

Ec.suyu · 11-25-2018, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by airwalk776

Is it true the 2019 z4 was developed in partnership with Toyota ?

yup, the new supra will be built on the same platform except it'll be offered in a coupe version. The powerplant will be BMW supplied.

airwalk776 · 11-25-2018, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Ec.suyu

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Originally Posted by airwalk776

Is it true the 2019 z4 was developed in partnership with Toyota ?

yup, the new supra will be built on the same platform except it'll be offered in a coupe version. The powerplant will be BMW supplied.

Yeah that's the same I was reading. Wow that's an unlikely mix

sjeupie · 11-26-2018, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Ec.suyu

Quote:

Originally Posted by airwalk776

Is it true the 2019 z4 was developed in partnership with Toyota ?

yup, the new supra will be built on the same platform except it'll be offered in a coupe version. The powerplant will be BMW supplied.

And check out the first images. It's brutal!

11-11-2018, 08:50 AM	#23
Vetracr Private First Class 30 Rep 193 Posts Drives: 2010 BMW Z4 3.0 Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: Palm Beach, FL iTrader: (0)	Time will tell I have a current generation E89 Z4 and I love the looks of the car. The new Z4 is longer, wider, taller and probably heavier, does not come with 6 speed transmission and will probably cost a lot more. Not to mention that the Toyota Supra coupe is the same car with a Toyota badge. Not a good image for BMW if you care for such things. Back to the car itself. I find the front end to be a jumble of mismatched lines, curves and odd shaped openings. It does not flow like the E89 front end. The side and rear views are ok but nothing exciting. I read some of the specs in Roundel and noticably absent for a supposed "sports car" was no mention of a water temperature gauge, an oil pressure gauge, shift lights or other sports car instrumentation. The only thing highlighted were the infotainment additions. Unfortunately BMW is evolving away from its "ultimate driving experience" mantra across its product line. Like all other companies its devoting its development efforts to sports activity and sports utility vehicles. BMW is pushing the envelope with its turbo charged engine development. Unfortunately all that power can only be used for a lap or two on track before the cars go into limp mode. Frankly I like a coupe better than a convertible so I will wait to see what the Supra looks like. Only time will tell. In the mean time I'll keep my Z4.
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paris1 Captain 90 Rep 745 Posts Drives: 2013 35i Space Grey over Coral Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Northern Calif. iTrader: (0)	I haven't done a lot of in depth reading about the new Z4/Supra as our current E89 is my wife's DD and not something we would replace with a subsequent model. However I'm curious about the drive train. Are both manufacturers using the same basic engine and will both be built in the same factory a-la Mazda Miata/Fiat 124 (which, I know, uses an FCA engine)?
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tranquility sportscars only 3244 Rep 3,195 Posts Drives: 2011 Z4 sDrive 35i Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Montréal iTrader: (0)	Does anyone feel the way I feel? Basically, I dunno what the heck BMW is doing, they can't seem to make up their mind about what they want in the Z line...718 competitor? SLK? Hybrid? I'm pretty objective because I don't have the typical 'I own my car so it's the best' mentality. Heck, I was disappointed when they ditched the E85/86 for our E89. Yes, the hard-top is a vast improvement and I'd never consider a rag, the DCT's great, but I didn't like that it was quite bigger/heavier. They should've just used our front and modernized the first Z4. I would've gone for the E86 if not the Z4MC. Now this latest one is yet another regression and disappointment esp w/ all the hoopla, going back to the rag. The front looks alright but the rear is quirky, kinda like the opposite of the new AM Vantage. The power increase isn't that amazing esp compared to a 35is. They also lost the DCT for a slushbox? Are they just throwing darts and picking what stuff to put into their cars now? No idea who's the target market here. It's a big pass for me.
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Eltee Private First Class 25 Rep 173 Posts Drives: 2011 Z4 35i Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Milwaukee, WI iTrader: (0)	"They also lost the DCT for a slushbox?" Is that for real?? My entire life I've had manuals, and swore I'd never make the switch. However after driving a 35i with DCT, I did make the change and really enjoy it. The concept looked pretty cool, but I too think the final product isn't so great. If indeed there is no DCT, then forget it. It's a no brainer, I'll keep my 2011 !
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11-13-2018, 01:49 AM	#29
tranquility sportscars only 3244 Rep 3,195 Posts Drives: 2011 Z4 sDrive 35i Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Montréal iTrader: (0)	It looks more like a Merc than a BMW.
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Vetracr Private First Class 30 Rep 193 Posts Drives: 2010 BMW Z4 3.0 Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: Palm Beach, FL iTrader: (0)	I wonder if anyone from BMW reads these posts and if they do, do they really care that the new Z4 is getting less than a stellar reception from from the hard core base of Z4 owners?
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11-25-2018, 04:57 AM	#35
sjeupie Private 8 Rep 66 Posts Drives: Tiefseeblau E89 Sdrive 23i wit Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: Switzerland iTrader: (0)	Don't like it one bit from the exterior. The classic timeless cool design in the swooping lines of the e89 and predessors are completely gone. The trunk is too long, the seemingly shorter hood seems only to slope down instead of a the e89s 'wave'. Front wheels are too far back. All those over aggressive lines on a car thats not a racer anyway with all its luxory and weight.... I imagine myself being on a weekend trip with my girl, rolling in a quiet French village for a coffee and showing up with this attention seeker with its Merc front/350z side and fartugly back. I'd feel pretty emberrased parking that sob. In my e89 I get tons of hate on the road already. I can only image with the new wannabee how bad it will get. Nah, a roadster to me is subdued power and class. Something Aston Martin does manage. This new Z does not provide that the slightest imho. Give me my e89 or any older model for that.
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airwalk776 Private First Class 49 Rep 152 Posts Drives: 2011 Z4 sDrive35is Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: New Jersey iTrader: (0)	Is it true the 2019 z4 was developed in partnership with Toyota ?
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