C8 Z06......Wow

[Cos270]

Originally Posted by Quadruple VANOS

So many complaining about the Z06 becoming out of reach seem to jump right to the used market as an alternative. Lotus' upcoming Emira is priced right there (my spec is $96k); yet I don't think I've heard a single person contemplate an Emira instead. It's even available with a manual transmission. Weird.

For my money, I'd rather have an Emira over a base C8.

[Quadruple VANOS]

Originally Posted by Cos270

For my money, I'd rather have an Emira over a base C8.

My (2LT) Stingray spec is almost $11k less ($84,775) than my Emira spec ($95,990), so the question for me is would I prefer the Stingray for $11k less. Personally I'd pay the extra $11k for the Emira's manual transmission, and the KEF audio system alone. I think the Lotus looks better too.

However, my point is a lot of the complainers thought the Z06 would be about $96k, yet I don't hear anyone considering the Emira now that the Z06 is seemingly out of reach for them. Wonder why. Lack of awareness maybe?

[Cos270]

Originally Posted by Quadruple VANOS

My (2LT) Stingray spec is almost $11k less ($84,775) than my Emira spec ($95,990), so the question for me is would I prefer the Stingray for $11k less. Personally I'd pay the extra $11k for the Emira's manual transmission, looks, and the KEF audio system alone. I think the Lotus looks better too.

However, my point is a lot of the complainers thought the Z06 would be about $96k, yet I don't hear anyone considering the Emira now that the Z06 is seemingly out of reach for them. Wonder why. Lack of awareness maybe?

I would say lack of awareness is certainly a factor. You also can't order a base Emira just yet, so some may be waiting for that as well. I also doubt that there's much of a cross over between "traditional" Corvette customers and Lotus fans. Lotus has always been kind of niche.

[Quadruple VANOS]

Originally Posted by Cos270

I would say lack of awareness is certainly a factor. You also can't order a base Emira just yet, so some may be waiting for that as well. I also doubt that there's much of a cross over between "traditional" Corvette customers and Lotus fans. Lotus has always been kind of niche.

I perceive the C8 as radically widening appeal beyond traditional Corvette customers. We've entered a new rubicon where the traditional definition has become dated and mostly irrelevant to the current product. The Z06 even more so.

So many people talk about wanting a manual transmission… lightweight… yet here's a mid-engine sports car version priced below $100k and crickets?

[Humdizzle]

servicing might have something to do with it.

there are 50 lotus dealerships in the US compared to 4500 for GM.

[Higgs Boson]

Originally Posted by Quadruple VANOS

So many people talk about wanting a manual transmission… lightweight… yet here's a mid-engine sports car version priced below $100k and crickets?

people want those things from a real manufacturer, not lotus.
people want to be able to actually buy the car.
people want to have no quality or reliability concerns and british cars are the absolute worst.

etc. there are many reasons it's crickets with the lotus, because it's always been crickets with the lotus.

many times I think, yes, I will buy an emira and then I realize I don't want a toyota engine, I also don't really think I want a 4 banger either....so, the lotus sounds good on paper but it's not quite right to get my $$

[Cos270]

Originally Posted by Higgs Boson

people want those things from a real manufacturer, not lotus.
people want to be able to actually buy the car.
people want to have no quality or reliability concerns and british cars are the absolute worst.

etc. there are many reasons it's crickets with the lotus, because it's always been crickets with the lotus.

many times I think, yes, I will buy an emira and then I realize I don't want a toyota engine, I also don't really think I want a 4 banger either....so, the lotus sounds good on paper but it's not quite right to get my $$

Emphasis mine.

All valid points regarding the manufacturer and reliability of British cars. But in terms of the engine, it's kind of ironic putting down the V6 (not a "4 banger") from Toyota. The base LT2 V8 in the C8 is basically a hopped up truck engine.

But, to each their own. Lotus and Corvette have always played to very different demographics.

[Higgs Boson]

Originally Posted by Cos270

Emphasis mine.

All valid points regarding the manufacturer and reliability of British cars. But in terms of the engine, it's kind of ironic putting down the V6 (not a "4 banger") from Toyota. The base LT2 V8 in the C8 is basically a hopped up truck engine.

But, to each their own. Lotus and Corvette have always played to very different demographics.

The lotus has/will have two engine options. I am saying I don't want either of them.

I also don't want a base corvette.

[Quadruple VANOS]

Originally Posted by Higgs Boson

people want those things from a real manufacturer, not lotus.
people want to be able to actually buy the car.
people want to have no quality or reliability concerns and british cars are the absolute worst.

Remember, my comments are made in the context of Z06 people claiming they're now considering USED exotics instead.

[nicholasn]

Originally Posted by dgoldenz

I just don’t see why GM had to force all these weird sharp/angular edges, it really screws with the flow of the design. All 3 of those cars have flowing lines that don’t look choppy, they’re cohesive to the design of the car. It’s not like the C8 looks bad, it just could have been so much better.

The C7 was imo the best-looking Corvette. The proportions were great from every angle. The C8 looks good only from very certain angles, ok from most other angles, and very bad from a select from viewpoints. If you see it cresting a hill driving towards you it looks terrible.

[Higgs Boson]

Originally Posted by nicholasn

The C7 was imo the best-looking Corvette. The proportions were great from every angle. The C8 looks good only from very certain angles, ok from most other angles, and very bad from a select from viewpoints. If you see it cresting a hill driving towards you it looks terrible.

Most people were absolutely horrified by the C7, especially the taillights.

Most people were horrified by the M3/M4 grill, now you wait a year to get a new one and they even are still going over sticker.

Amazing how change is resisted, then accepted, then loved. Happens literally every time.

[RM7]

Originally Posted by Cos270

For my money, I'd rather have an Emira over a base C8.

Yeah, you get an awesome Toyota engine...right? lol

[RM7]

Originally Posted by Higgs Boson

Most people were absolutely horrified by the C7, especially the taillights.

Most people were horrified by the M3/M4 grill, now you wait a year to get a new one and they even are still going over sticker.

Amazing how change is resisted, then accepted, then loved. Happens literally every time.

Naw, some cars never look good. The F30 front end never looked good, it still doesn't. G M3/4 front ends probably never will too. New 7 series too. I never heard that people were "horrified" by the C7. I thought they were going aggressive by styling it like a performance european coupe and it showed. A old stingray looks good. A C2 Stingray looked a lot better than what was before and after it.

It's good that BMW has enough takers with the M3/4. I think the M2 is a little too "plain" at the same time, but I'd much rather be in that. Those old 128/135s were pretty ugly too...and they never got better.

[Higgs Boson]

Originally Posted by RM7

Naw, some cars never look good. The F30 front end never looked good, it still doesn't. G M3/4 front ends probably never will too. New 7 series too. I never heard that people were "horrified" by the C7. I thought they were going aggressive by styling it like a performance european coupe and it showed. A old stingray looks good. A C2 Stingray looked a lot better than what was before and after it.

It's good that BMW has enough takers with the M3/4. I think the M2 is a little too "plain" at the same time, but I'd much rather be in that. Those old 128/135s were pretty ugly too...and they never got better.

We all are entitled to our opinions and I appreciate you sharing yours. Good thing lots of different cars are made every year so everyone can drive one they like.

[Quadruple VANOS]

Originally Posted by RM7

Yeah, you get an awesome Toyota engine...right? lol

At the risk of perpetuating a discussion of a Lotus… in a Corvette thread… in a BMW forum…

But does the supercharged V6 Toyota mill really negate all the other positives like manual transmission, communicative hydraulic steering, mid engine architecture, and <$100k retail price? Really?

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by Quadruple VANOS

So many complaining about the Z06 becoming out of reach seem to jump right to the used market as an alternative. Lotus' upcoming Emira is priced right there (my spec is $96k); yet I don't think I've heard a single person contemplate an Emira instead. It's even available with a manual transmission. Weird.

That’s because people have a thing against corvettes. Not sure why.

The emira does look Awesome but no thanks on the Toyota engine. Rather have a tree stump pulling v8 in the LT2 when I get the stingray. And my spec is almost 80k. For a mid engine v8 with a dct. Can’t beat that. The manual trans is of no interest to me.

But this is going off topic. The z06 is a car that can’t be compared because of its incredibly high stats, looks and affordable price despite it being higher than people assumed.

[Cos270]

Originally Posted by RM7

Yeah, you get an awesome Toyota engine...right? lol

See my other comment about the base C8 engine…at least the Toyota engine is supercharged lol.

[Quadruple VANOS]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

The z06 is a car that can't be compared…

Everything is open to comparison.

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by Quadruple VANOS

Everything is open to comparison.

Well technically everything is open for comparison.

But that doesn't make it logical. Meaning can you compare a C8 corvette to an X5M?

The only thing anything can be somewhat shared in terms of similarities is that they both have V8's. THAT'S IT.

The z06 can't be compared to anything it's supposed to be with the price point it has. You try to compare and now you're entering exotic car territory that will cost double or even triple what a C8Z MSRP's for.

Again, not everyone has to like the C8Z. It doesn't even matter if people say it's slow, or ugly as shit etc.

But the proof is in the pudding. People are lined up for this car. GM has basically outsold this car already.

No other car has what it has, for the price point, period.

That's all i'm saying.

[G MONEY]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

Well technically everything is open for comparison.

But that doesn't make it logical. Meaning can you compare a C8 corvette to an X5M?

The only thing anything can be somewhat shared in terms of similarities is that they both have V8's. THAT'S IT.

The z06 can't be compared to anything it's supposed to be with the price point it has. You try to compare and now you're entering exotic car territory that will cost double or even triple what a C8Z MSRP's for.

Again, not everyone has to like the C8Z. It doesn't even matter if people say it's slow, or ugly as shit etc.

But the proof is in the pudding. People are lined up for this car. GM has basically outsold this car already.

No other car has what it has, for the price point, period.

That's all i'm saying.

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[M3WC]

Originally Posted by Quadruple VANOS

But does the supercharged V6 Toyota mill really negate all the other positives like manual transmission, communicative hydraulic steering, mid engine architecture, and <$100k retail price? Really?

Absolutely not. The supercharged V6 in the Lotus is actually very good, has good linear power band. Sounds great too, much better exhaust note than any ugly G8x. People just hate on it because Camry.

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by M3WC

Absolutely not. The supercharged V6 in the Lotus is actually very good, has good linear power band. Sounds great too, much better exhaust note than any ugly G8x. People just hate on it because Camry.

Right. I mean there's a reason toyota went with the B58 for the MKV supra lol.

Lotus has a chance to really make a name for itself again when they go EV.

Their ICE cars can't really compete with all the stuff out now. Cars like the 718 and the C8 ruined everything lol.