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      02-09-2023, 05:28 PM   #1255
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To you, it still looks better than both the etron and taycan.
Maybe to you. I think they both look WAY better than the Model S...like not even in the same ballpark (I'm not just saying that because it's a Tesla or anything like that...just my honest subjective opinion).
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      02-09-2023, 06:27 PM   #1256
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Etron and taycan look like a canoe. Shitty design but it's cool because lots of tesla haters will just name any car and say that looks better. That's cool too.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I mean people buy G8X cars and that shit looks ugly as fuck. I got one but not for long when the lease is up. Hopefully BMW doesn't fuck up the looks of the G90.

Model s looks damn good on the road, ready to destroy anyone who tries. Gotta love the future!
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Etron and taycan look like a canoe. Shitty design but it's cool because lots of tesla haters will just name any car and say that looks better. That's cool too.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I mean people buy G8X cars and that shit looks ugly as fuck. I got one but not for long when the lease is up. Hopefully BMW doesn't fuck up the looks of the G90.

Model s looks damn good on the road, ready to destroy anyone who tries. Gotta love the future!
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I'm not going to argue with anyone who think teslas looks good. I'd wait till they see their opticians or shrinks before I speak to them again.
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      02-10-2023, 09:56 AM   #1259
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I'm not going to argue with anyone who think teslas looks good. I'd wait till they see their opticians or shrinks before I speak to them again.
I hate to agree with BGM for once, but he is not wrong when he said looks is 100% subjective.
I bring back to the point that over 100k people looked at the Astek and thought 'yes'. Or perhaps the 'nastyretro' PT cruiser, over a million sold for god's sake.

Teslas in general are too sterile IMHO, less is defenitely less for me not more, but the S is boarderline attractive both the original and the update.
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I hate to agree with BGM for once, but he is not wrong when he said looks is 100% subjective.
Doesn't sound like he thinks looks are subjective...

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The etron actually does look better than taycan but both in general look like shit.

Debadge all the cars and the plaid looks tons better than both.

If they made a model 3 plaid it would be lights out for everyone else.
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alright come on now. teslas are def shit inside. but they look decent from the outside.
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The only Tesla's I think look ok are the Model Y and the Model S (however, the S is in dire need of a redesign.

The Model 3 and Model X are not attractive IMHO.
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I hate to agree with BGM for once, but he is not wrong when he said looks is 100% subjective.
I bring back to the point that over 100k people looked at the Astek and thought 'yes'. Or perhaps the 'nastyretro' PT cruiser, over a million sold for god's sake.

Teslas in general are too sterile IMHO, less is defenitely less for me not more, but the S is boarderline attractive both the original and the update.
Also to add just because I said the etron or taycan looks ugly doesnít mean Iím saying teslas are the best looking car.

They are a simplistic car maker with the highest tech period.

Thatís what theyíre good at. Thatís why people buy them.

I prefer the iPad screen to buttons, thatís why I favor I drive 8.

But in my opinion the etron and the taycan are ugly ass cars. They look like mashed sausages.

And Iím a Porsche fan btw so itís not hating on a brand like some people are doing here. Soon people will say they think an aztek is better looking than a plaid.
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I hate to agree with BGM for once, but he is not wrong when he said looks is 100% subjective.
I bring back to the point that over 100k people looked at the Astek and thought 'yes'. Or perhaps the 'nastyretro' PT cruiser, over a million sold for god's sake.

Teslas in general are too sterile IMHO, less is defenitely less for me not more, but the S is boarderline attractive both the original and the update.
5 million priuses have been sold. No greater argument to support that looks are subjective I guess.
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Even RAM get's the anxiety issue. I'm a RAM fan, we have a 1500 ecoDiesel that we love, I don't see moving into the EV ever but a funny ad.

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alright come on now. teslas are def shit inside. but they look decent from the outside.
I guess I don't get why Tesla can't make a few decent hardware feature updates after many years of producing an identical car.

Give people the option of a heads up display on the Model3, Apple Carplay, perhaps an optional Bose Stereo and seat material like BMW Sensafin not their vegan BS... as far as the outside, they all look like an appliance... Seems like 100% of their focus is SW which makes sense because on the production side that has no cost and they can charge people obscene amounts for BS features.
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5 million priuses have been sold. No greater argument to support that looks are subjective I guess.
ORRRRR people that buy Priuses don't care about looks? Just a thought.
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I'd go with that a Prius looks clumsy and not dissimilar much to the back of a bus, chosen by some Hollywood actors who want to be seen as responsible 'goodies'.
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I guess I don't get why Tesla can't make a few decent hardware feature updates after many years of producing an identical car.

Give people the option of a heads up display on the Model3, Apple Carplay, perhaps an optional Bose Stereo and seat material like BMW Sensafin not their vegan BS... as far as the outside, they all look like an appliance... Seems like 100% of their focus is SW which makes sense because on the production side that has no cost and they can charge people obscene amounts for BS features.
I'm all for tesla updating the interiors. They did some minor stuff on the S and X but I think they should do more and update the 3 and Y.

However the specific stuff you mentioned are definitely things I don't find very important. Most cars still don't have heads up displays. I mean even BMW didn't start offering them until recently even though GM has been doing it since forever.

Carplay... I though I would miss this also when I got my Tesla. I don't. I think the Tesla navigation is really good and better than what I can in carplay. Although I am also not super picky about what music app I use. I know some people have all kinds of play lists and stuff. I don't so I'm fine using the standard Tesla player. I also think the "premium" sound system sounds really good. I have no idea who makes it, but it sounds better than any Bose system I've had and I've had a few cars with Bose.

Lastly... I have not been in a newer BMW so I'm not sure how Sensafin is. However the BMW pleather from my days was just horrible. It was like fucking rhinoceros skin or something. Hard rubbery nasty stuff. Whatever Tesla uses (at least in the white interior since that's all I've had) is extremely soft and nice feeling. I wish BMW was using something like that back when I had a 128i.
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News coming in more often now over here that EV sales are continuing their downward spiral in sales as there are serious doubts about battery performance longevity, lack of charge points leading to massive queues with arguments and worries about if the things can indeed be sold on.
More and more are going safe and buying gas cars.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/motors/2135...-electric-car/
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Actually they’re saying buying a second hand ev might be a better choice than buying new.

We’re moving foward with this ev transition lol.

Idk what articles you wanna find that’ll give you hope that it’s not.

It’s gonna happen. Accept it already guys lol
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Actually theyíre saying buying a second hand ev might be a better choice than buying new.

Weíre moving foward with this ev transition lol.

Idk what articles you wanna find thatíll give you hope that itís not.

Itís gonna happen. Accept it already guys lol
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News coming in more often now over here that EV sales are continuing their downward spiral in sales as there are serious doubts about battery performance longevity, lack of charge points leading to massive queues with arguments and worries about if the things can indeed be sold on.
More and more are going safe and buying gas cars.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/motors/2135...-electric-car/
This is a nothing article that mentions nothing about lower sales and all the used warnings apply to any used vehicle other than yeah make sure it has a battery.

What the hell does this have to do with the rice of tea in China?

And I ask as an adamant "Toyoda was right and PHEV's will win the medium term battle" believer.
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I'm all for tesla updating the interiors. They did some minor stuff on the S and X but I think they should do more and update the 3 and Y.

However the specific stuff you mentioned are definitely things I don't find very important. Most cars still don't have heads up displays. I mean even BMW didn't start offering them until recently even though GM has been doing it since forever.

Carplay... I though I would miss this also when I got my Tesla. I don't. I think the Tesla navigation is really good and better than what I can in carplay. Although I am also not super picky about what music app I use. I know some people have all kinds of play lists and stuff. I don't so I'm fine using the standard Tesla player. I also think the "premium" sound system sounds really good. I have no idea who makes it, but it sounds better than any Bose system I've had and I've had a few cars with Bose.

Lastly... I have not been in a newer BMW so I'm not sure how Sensafin is. However the BMW pleather from my days was just horrible. It was like fucking rhinoceros skin or something. Hard rubbery nasty stuff. Whatever Tesla uses (at least in the white interior since that's all I've had) is extremely soft and nice feeling. I wish BMW was using something like that back when I had a 128i.
Yes I agree specifically 3 and Y... but you need to think about some things.

You said heads up... well most other cars also have a instrument cluster in front of the steering wheel lol...

Carplay - this is more of a flexibility thing... at this present time, Tesla removed any ability to use Waze... well good luck then. Let me choose my apps... now they can remove and add as they wish. That's why they wont give people this ability they want to control sw and apps.

Sensafin is the upscale X5 fake leather which actually feels like real leather and outside of smell has no discernible difference... Sensatec which is in the 3 and below is very subpar imho.
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