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      11-08-2022, 05:00 PM   #749
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Same with Polestar, all online. You customize your build, order, and then do either home delivery or Polestar delivery center.
Just checked them out online. The price kills it.

The base Polstar 3 is $85k with 300 mile range and 0-60 4.9 sec. The Polstar 3 seems to be the newest one, the "suv" version, with that interior posted above. The base Model Y which I'm guessing would be the most comparable Tesla is $66k 318 mile range and 4.8 sec 0-60 so I would say practically identical specs, but almost $20k cheaper. I just can't see spending an extra $20k for a nicer interior.
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Just checked them out online. The price kills it.

The base Polstar 3 is $85k with 300 mile range and 0-60 4.9 sec. The Polstar 3 seems to be the newest one, the "suv" version, with that interior posted above. The base Model Y which I'm guessing would be the most comparable Tesla is $66k 318 mile range and 4.8 sec 0-60 so I would say practically identical specs, but almost $20k cheaper. I just can't see spending an extra $20k for a nicer interior.
The Polestar 2 is $40K less than the Polestar 3. what Polestar models did you compare to what Teslas?
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The Polestar 2 is $40K less than the Polestar 3. what Polestar models did you compare to what Teslas?
Well the interior that was posted was the Polstar 3 which is the "suv" version. So I compared that to the Tesla "suv" the Model Y.

But still if you compare the Polstar 2 with the Model 3 the value is still not there. Comparably equipped Polstar 2 is still $10k more than Model 3 and the Model 3 is faster.
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Just checked them out online. The price kills it.

The base Polstar 3 is $85k with 300 mile range and 0-60 4.9 sec. The Polstar 3 seems to be the newest one, the "suv" version, with that interior posted above. The base Model Y which I'm guessing would be the most comparable Tesla is $66k 318 mile range and 4.8 sec 0-60 so I would say practically identical specs, but almost $20k cheaper. I just can't see spending an extra $20k for a nicer interior.

But but but but but the tesla has a "cheap interior". I wanna pay more for a better interior but have EVERYTHING else inferior to tesla. So i can say take that elon! I won't buy your cars!
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But but but but but the tesla has a "cheap interior". I wanna pay more for a better interior but have EVERYTHING else inferior to tesla. So i can say take that elon! I won't buy your cars!

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Just checked them out online. The price kills it.

The base Polstar 3 is $85k with 300 mile range and 0-60 4.9 sec. The Polstar 3 seems to be the newest one, the "suv" version, with that interior posted above. The base Model Y which I'm guessing would be the most comparable Tesla is $66k 318 mile range and 4.8 sec 0-60 so I would say practically identical specs, but almost $20k cheaper. I just can't see spending an extra $20k for a nicer interior.

But but but but but the tesla has a "cheap interior". I wanna pay more for a better interior but have EVERYTHING else inferior to tesla. So i can say take that elon! I won't buy your cars!
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Just checked them out online. The price kills it.

The base Polstar 3 is $85k with 300 mile range and 0-60 4.9 sec. The Polstar 3 seems to be the newest one, the "suv" version, with that interior posted above. The base Model Y which I'm guessing would be the most comparable Tesla is $66k 318 mile range and 4.8 sec 0-60 so I would say practically identical specs, but almost $20k cheaper. I just can't see spending an extra $20k for a nicer interior.
Lyriq is a much better deal at $62k, interior is really good. Highlight is the 33" OLED screen. But there is very long line for those. Kicking myself for not putting a deposit down at the debut.

I just posted the Polestar as they have near identical interior to Tesla with nicer build quality. They are overpriced in my opinion. But it is a higher end vehicle, with better finishes and option list to choose from...it is more of a iX competitor.

Also when quoting ranges, Tesla's are known to never meet their rated range in any real word test. Just about every other manufacturer underrates their ranges. You can see how most EV's stack up in list below.
https://www.edmunds.com/car-news/ele...s-edmunds.html

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Lyriq is a much better deal at $62k, interior is really good. Highlight is the 33" OLED screen. But there is very long line for those. Kicking myself for not putting a deposit down at the debut.

I just posted the Polestar as they have near identical interior to Tesla with nicer finishes. They are definitely overpriced in my opinion.
The more the merrier I say. The Lyriq looks interesting and I'm a fan of Cadillac in general but not something you can buy right now. I guess I don't care for this whole pre-order shit (and honestly Tesla was probably one of the first to start it). I mean MAYBE I would consider waiting a month or two... but years!!?? No way. I'm way too erratic to gamble on what I will want a year or two from now.

Honestly the whole state of the car market sucks donkey dicks right now. Probably why I'm looking to get into something old for my fun car. Like a Z4M, maybe an NC Miata... dunno but all the new shit that's ridiculously expensive and even then not available to purchase has me bummed out on new cars.
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The more the merrier I say. The Lyriq looks interesting and I'm a fan of Cadillac in general but not something you can buy right now. I guess I don't care for this whole pre-order shit (and honestly Tesla was probably one of the first to start it). I mean MAYBE I would consider waiting a month or two... but years!!?? No way. I'm way too erratic to gamble on what I will want a year or two from now.

Honestly the whole state of the car market sucks donkey dicks right now. Probably why I'm looking to get into something old for my fun car. Like a Z4M, maybe an NC Miata... dunno but all the new shit that's ridiculously expensive and even then not available to purchase has me bummed out on new cars.
100% yes. Modern cars overwhelmingly all suck. I can't get inspired to care about almost anything.

I'm cautiously optimistic for the Ionic 6 N as a DD, next year. Albert Biermann car, well done EV (as in, bespoke EV chassis, rather than a shared/reused ICEV chassis), not a crossover, and all the N cars have been pretty freaking great to drive so far.... unlike any EV I've driven, other than the Lucid or i3.
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don't worry you can always buy a Toyota

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don't worry you can always buy a Toyota

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...get-will-allow
Everything I've seen says Toyota can barely make cars to meet the current demand. Didn't they lose a ton of revenue recently? Basically none of the dealers have anything in stock that isn't sold and I also read that they announced some kind of realtime pricing adjustment. Like they will be able to change the MSRP on the fly or something like that.... like Tesla does.
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Governments might be seeing the light. Read the summary of COP27.
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Governments might be seeing the light. Read the summary of COP27.
A Quarter Of All Americans Could Face Energy Emergencies This Winter

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/quart...t_source=email

They say the first step is admitting you have a problem, I'm just wondering when that first step will be taken so we can move through the the other 11 steps.
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Governments might be seeing the light. Read the summary of COP27.
A Quarter Of All Americans Could Face Energy Emergencies This Winter

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/quart...t_source=email

They say the first step is admitting you have a problem, I'm just wondering when that first step will be taken so we can move through the the other 11 steps.
East coast refineries are running at 110% on the diesel production. Make that money🤑
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A Quarter Of All Americans Could Face Energy Emergencies This Winter

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/quart...t_source=email

They say the first step is admitting you have a problem, I'm just wondering when that first step will be taken so we can move through the the other 11 steps.
What is your take on the COP27 outcomes?
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What is your take on the COP27 outcomes?
That a lot of countries are not structurally or economically able to rid themselves of fossil fuels for energy and transportation, yet.

The "Loss and Damage" fund is a rather strange thing to emerge given that some of those that benefit are also those that contribute the most to the problem (China).
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Interesting, thanks for the comment.

Note that VW is considering pushing back (delaying) EV platforms and GM has announced ICE updates in mid-decade of the 2020s.

World ainít ready.

Question is, will the world ever be ready for an initiative whose principal motivation is increasing carmaker profits?
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Interesting, thanks for the comment.

Note that VW is considering pushing back (delaying) EV platforms and GM has announced ICE updates in mid-decade of the 2020s.

World ainít ready.

Question is, will the world ever be ready for an initiative whose principal motivation is increasing carmaker profits?
Boy, thatís naiveÖhave you ever heard of lobbying?
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Interesting, thanks for the comment.

Note that VW is considering pushing back (delaying) EV platforms and GM has announced ICE updates in mid-decade of the 2020s.

World ainít ready.

Question is, will the world ever be ready for an initiative whose principal motivation is increasing carmaker profits?
GM never intended to have an all EV fleet in the 2020's. Their goal is 2030+.

As each year that goes by, look at each car makers fleet in percentage and see that number rise in terms of production EV's.

This isn't stopping. No need to give yourself false hope.
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BGM-M3COMP Strawman; no one said anything about stopping. You seem smarter than that.
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Just as long as we’re on the same page.

Our future is looking awesome with everyone driving plaid like power!
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Not going to explain further why that is the most idiotic post in this thread
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