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      02-05-2023, 09:57 PM   #1
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Time for a new car... need advice

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So I think it's almost time to replace my old e90 3 series.

I was thinking of getting a 2019 840i GC in a year but I may need a car sooner than that.

So my plan is to get a 2019 330xi this year then resell it then get the 840xi next year.

1. How reliable are these cars compared to my 328xi ?

2. Have car prices started to go down to earth and normalize?

3. What do you think of my plan?

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The B46 is probably less prone to various leaks than the N52 and it’s more powerful. It’s proving to be a pretty reliable motor. Pricing. Buying now then swapping later. It’s hard to say. Just watched a pretty interesting video on this forum yesterday. Used car dealer analyzing CarMax and where the market is headed. His prediction is that prices are headed down substantially and waiting to buy is the better choice. 330i prices have come down. They’re not super unreasonable. If this dealer is correct I think the odds of a 330i you buy now dropping in value more than an 840i GC value drops are pretty high. So, the price difference between the two will be wider than it is right now. If that’s much of a concern for you then you could find yourself with a 330i that you can’t sell for enough to get into the 840i GC. Just my thoughts. Take ‘em for what they’re worth.

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Having said all that - his video gives me some pause, but I want a 2020 pre-mild hybrid M340i and I think the same thing is going to happen to my 2018 F30 340i M Sport; I think the value of my 2018 is going to decline more rapidly than the M340i, so I’m making the swap now, while my car has more value.
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I can not say much regarding the 330xi in terms of reliability but prices on some vehicles are starting to come back to earth.

As for your plan, I would be looking for a 840i now and try to milk the 328xi as long as possible. The 328xi value is not going depreciate as quickly as 2019 330xi. That is it could well cost less to keeping your current vehicle going than the loss in value in a year with a 2019 330xi. Besides you know ills of your vehicle.
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Keep your current ride with highest deductibles and wait until you find what you want, when you want.
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I can not say much regarding the 330xi in terms of reliability but prices on some vehicles are starting to come back to earth.

As for your plan, I would be looking for a 840i now and try to milk the 328xi as long as possible. The 328xi value is not going depreciate as quickly as 2019 330xi. That is it could well cost less to keeping your current vehicle going than the loss in value in a year with a 2019 330xi. Besides you know ills of your vehicle.
Thatís a good point. Wish I had made it.
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Why buy something just to replace it within a year? Just hold on to your current car for a year longer and then get the 840i.

Or just get the 840i now.
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The B46 is probably less prone to various leaks than the N52 and itís more powerful. Itís proving to be a pretty reliable motor. Pricing. Buying now then swapping later. Itís hard to say. Just watched a pretty interesting video on this forum yesterday. Used car dealer analyzing CarMax and where the market is headed. His prediction is that prices are headed down substantially and waiting to buy is the better choice. 330i prices have come down. Theyíre not super unreasonable. If this dealer is correct I think the odds of a 330i you buy now dropping in value more than an 840i GC value drops are pretty high. So, the price difference between the two will be wider than it is right now. If thatís much of a concern for you then you could find yourself with a 330i that you canít sell for enough to get into the 840i GC. Just my thoughts. Take Ďem for what theyíre worth.

https://g20.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1990419

Having said all that - his video gives me some pause, but I want a 2020 pre-mild hybrid M340i and I think the same thing is going to happen to my 2018 F30 340i M Sport; I think the value of my 2018 is going to decline more rapidly than the M340i, so Iím making the swap now, while my car has more value.


Thanks for the insight. I think you're right.... I should just get the 840xi later this year instead of getting the 330xi .

I'm just so tired of fixing my 328xi but at least it's just sensors and brake discs.

Which is the B46 and N52 ? WHich model cars?

I didn't know there's a hybrid m340i .
From what I've seen of hybrid Toyotas the batteries are very expensive to replace when they go kaput. I'm still apprehensive on buying a non gas car.

Pricing:

2019 is the newest body design on the 840xi correct?
What's a good price for them used say around 50k milage?
I was looking in the forum the 2024 model retails for $90.700.
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      02-06-2023, 01:19 PM   #8
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I can not say much regarding the 330xi in terms of reliability but prices on some vehicles are starting to come back to earth.

As for your plan, I would be looking for a 840i now and try to milk the 328xi as long as possible. The 328xi value is not going depreciate as quickly as 2019 330xi. That is it could well cost less to keeping your current vehicle going than the loss in value in a year with a 2019 330xi. Besides you know ills of your vehicle.
You got a good point.

My car was idling like crap and dying on me the last 5 months.
I replaced O2 sensors, camshaft sensors, , DMTL pump etc etc only to find out recently that it's the crankshaft sensor deep in the engine.
(I had to buy a $1000 Autel obd reader to figure this out)

Then someone bumped my bumper while I was parked and ran away without leaving a note.

Just didn't wanna spend anymore money on this car and a little fed up of aholes.

But yes, you put reason back to my head. It's still cheaper to maintain my 15 year old 328xi than buying a new 330 that's not even the car I want.


I guess now it comes down to pricing on the 840xi.
I really hope I can get a great deal later this year instead of the BS close to retail price last year for a used one.
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Reality is, fixing your old car is still way less than the payments or opportunity cost of a new one. So you spend what, 60, 70, 80K on a new car just to get something uglier, with more shit that screams at you (chime for belts, chime for backing up , chime for god damn everything), handles worse, vague steering, "features" that try and second guess your every damn step and actively work against you and did I mention the fucking screaming chimes that relentlessly barrage your brain every time you try to change lanes or back up or start the car or fuck knows what else?

Keep the analog E90 and cherish it.
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Also your scenario of getting backed into at the mall, if you do that in an 840, OMG, big price to pay (or claim). Vs the 328.
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Spend $10K on the E90. Fix all the deferred items and maybe treat yourself to an exhaust and so go faster bits. Take the rest of 840Xi whateverthehell money and buy a sorted 997 and enjoy analog bliss. If you get bored, sell it for what you paid for it.
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Also your scenario of getting backed into at the mall, if you do that in an 840, OMG, big price to pay (or claim). Vs the 328.
gonna install an anti collision and security camera on the 840... so it'll catch whoever asshole back into me and runs away.

Don't know about you guys, but I feel like people nowadays just don't give a damn about others or their own integrity anymore.

Hell I saw a couple who bumped into a car while parallel parking and I had to tell them to leave their contact info and they refused.
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Reality is, fixing your old car is still way less than the payments or opportunity cost of a new one. So you spend what, 60, 70, 80K on a new car just to get something uglier, with more shit that screams at you (chime for belts, chime for backing up , chime for god damn everything), handles worse, vague steering, "features" that try and second guess your every damn step and actively work against you and did I mention the fucking screaming chimes that relentlessly barrage your brain every time you try to change lanes or back up or start the car or fuck knows what else?

Keep the analog E90 and cherish it.
You don't like the new 840 huh?

You really think it handles worse and has worse steering?
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All of this. The 8's are in another league. Nurse that 3 until you can get what you want.
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You don't like the new 840 huh?

You really think it handles worse and has worse steering?
I am with you on that one. When I was in my 20s it was like those e30s are like those last real BMWís. Than e36s. Than few years ago it was like: guys keep those e46. That is a peak 3 series. Here we are few years later the E90 is the last analog one 😂
I own modern Bmw and while I dislike some things like a damn nannys that prevent drivers from doing something we, according to its manufacturer shouldnít be doing is annoying as hell, but I just got over it and enjoy it. Whoever says handling of the new ones is worse is just delusional. However I have to like the way it looks. In 20 years G90 will be the last true BMW for pro that arenít even born yet
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If your E90 is becoming a headache especially financially then it is time to move on. Don't pour money into a car that isn't worth much now. I speak from experience.

But I don't understand the rationale of getting a used G20 3-series now and switching into an 8-series next year? Either get the 8-series now or lease/buy used and keep that car 2-3 years. Best handling cars in that segment are the Giulia and 3-series. Not sure how the market is on the 3-series right now, but the Alfa you can likely score a good discount.
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If your E90 is becoming a headache especially financially then it is time to move on. Don't pour money into a car that isn't worth much now. I speak from experience.
One of the all time great automotive myths is that the value of the vehicle matters when it comes time to do repairs. It's irrelevant, all that matters is the replacement cost. Let's say our boy does the right thing and skips over an interim vehicle, waits and gets his 840 whatever. Payments are what, $1k a month? In 4 years he'd have dropped near $50K. No way in the world the E90 will cost anywhere NEAR that.
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If your E90 is becoming a headache especially financially then it is time to move on. Don't pour money into a car that isn't worth much now. I speak from experience.

But I don't understand the rationale of getting a used G20 3-series now and switching into an 8-series next year? Either get the 8-series now or lease/buy used and keep that car 2-3 years. Best handling cars in that segment are the Giulia and 3-series. Not sure how the market is on the 3-series right now, but the Alfa you can likely score a good discount.
My e90 was starting to die during idle or when I try to make a turn at low RPM the last 5 months, and i used a $20 obd and it's telling me O2 sensors, then DMTL pump, then camshaft.... it was a guessing game and I was getting really tired of the crap. PLus I have to travel far and uphill this year a lot so I thought maybe it's time to just let it go.

Basically it was an emotional exhaustion dealing with the random dieing.
And I thought maybe get the 3 series for now.

But I got an expensive autel scanner and I replaced the crankshaft sensor 3 days ago and so far so good. So now I can wait till end of the year or when prices plummet and just get a used 2019 840xi

That was my rationale
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One of the all time great automotive myths is that the value of the vehicle matters when it comes time to do repairs. It's irrelevant, all that matters is the replacement cost. Let's say our boy does the right thing and skips over an interim vehicle, waits and gets his 840 whatever. Payments are what, $1k a month? In 4 years he'd have dropped near $50K. No way in the world the E90 will cost anywhere NEAR that.
Yeah, pls read my post above.

I'm back to being logical now and going to wait and get the 2019 840xi instead. No interim car needed anymore.

PLus someone above posted that youtube vid which clears up a lot.

So thanks to everyone for the help
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Where do you guys recon I could get the best deals for cars? Smaller privately owned car shops and avoid the stealership and big companies like Carmax?
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Where do you guys recon I could get the best deals for cars? Smaller privately owned car shops and avoid the stealership and big companies like Carmax?
The ďbest dealĒ is going to be the one you do some legwork to find.

CarMax doesnít haggle so their price is what it is. Some people love their extended warranty and whatnot. Iíve never purchased from them only sold to so I canít speak on it.

Everywhere else youíll need to check the car out. Compare its pricing to what youíve seen elsewhere. Then negotiate and see where you can get them to drop down to. But since it requires breaking some balls you wonít find a ďgo here this place is the cheapestĒ sort of thing.
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