Still want an EV?

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by zx10guy

Nice summary of all the lunacy of California's green policies and the broad detrimental impacts it has had.

One of the things that stuck out to me was interviewee stating that there's a proposal by PG&E to have EV owners plug their cars into the grid during high demand events to "charge" the grid with the stored electricity in their EV car's batteries. The fact that this is even being considered should tell the nay sayers that the grid isn't as robust as they think it is.

Can’t imagine the Cali grid will be up to speed for an EV transition.
Just going to watch the slow moving accident happen.

[Housekeeping]

Likely ordering a new Model X as we absolutely love our 22 Model S Plaid. Have a Rivian on order for my wife that we’ll cancel. I’m all for ICE, still have a few but there’s nothing like EV. Flame on.

[RM7]

Originally Posted by chad86tsi

Where do you live where the word "almost" = the word "only"?

Well, for it to be "Night charging = using almost entirely carbon based power sources", I would assume you mean "almost" to be around 100%, since that's what it would mean in this context, so that would mean the only renewable you could use would be solar in the daytime, since that's the only one that totally cuts out at night.

[chad86tsi]

Originally Posted by RM7

Well, for it to be "Night charging = using almost entirely carbon based power sources", I would assume you mean "almost" to be around 100%, since that's what it would mean in this context, so that would mean the only renewable you could use would be solar in the daytime, since that's the only one that totally cuts out at night.

In context? in context of "solar is the only renewable", that might be a reasonable conclusion, but a reasonable person knows solar is not the only renewable, so where does that place you on the "reasonable" scale?

[RM7]

Originally Posted by chad86tsi

In context? in context of "solar is the only renewable", that might be a reasonable conclusion, but a reasonable person knows solar is not the only renewable, so where does that place you on the "reasonable" scale?

IDK, you are the one that said night-charging was almost entirely carbon-based. Here, we have natural gas turbines (highly efficient), hydroelectric and wind. The later of two both function at night. Sometimes people think just because it gets calmer at the surface at night that the wind above isn't still chugging along. The air right next to the ground does slow at night, but the windshear level also lowers, so it's common just a few feet off the ground at night to run into more windshear in the day, meaning the air just a few dozen feet up is moving along nicely. And of course the lakes or rivers still flow at night.

[chad86tsi]

Originally Posted by RM7

IDK, you are the one that said night-charging was almost entirely carbon-based.

almost entirely =/= only.

Here, we have natural gas turbines (highly efficient),

how many states are there where you live?

Alaska power mix:

Coal (11.6%)
Natural Gas (42.3%)
Hydroelectric (29.5%)
Wind (2.2%)
Biomass (0.6%)
Petroleum (13.8%)

Alaska is 67.7 % carbon based, and since it's not predominantly solar, that means there is no "green" time of day to use power there like High solar-source states.

Night charging = using almost entirely carbon based power sources in Alaska too.



FYI : High efficiency Natural gas turbines are 100% Carbon based.

[RM7]

Originally Posted by chad86tsi

almost entirely =/= only.




how many states are there where you live?

Alaska power mix:

Coal (11.6%)
Natural Gas (42.3%)
Hydroelectric (29.5%)
Wind (2.2%)
Biomass (0.6%)
Petroleum (13.8%)

Alaska is 67.7 % carbon based, and since it's not predominantly solar, that means there is no "green" time of day to use power there like High solar-source states.

Night charging = using almost entirely carbon based power sources in Alaska too.



FYI : High efficiency Natural gas turbines are 100% Carbon based.

In the muni, that is wrong. There is no coal here. You are talking about Fairbanks there. Radically different area. Thats like 5 states away for you.

[Murf the Surf]

Originally Posted by RM7

In the muni, that is wrong. There is no coal here. You are talking about Fairbanks there. Radically different area. Thats like 5 states away for you.

About 60% of all US electricity is generated by fossil fuels, 18% nuclear. https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.p...0other%20gases.

[RM7]

Originally Posted by Murf the Surf

About 60% of all US electricity is generated by fossil fuels, 18% nuclear. https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.p...0other%20gases.

I wouldn’t consider 60% to be “almost all”. Id consider that to be “almost half”. If something is described as “almost all”, it damn better be pretty close to all…

[Murf the Surf]

Originally Posted by RM7

I wouldn’t consider 60% to be “almost all”. Id consider that to be “almost half”. If something is described as “almost all”, it damn better be pretty close to all…

OK

[Car-Addicted]

Things that make you go Hmmmmm
Challenge to stop solar panels becoming a 'waste mountain'

Experts say billions of panels will eventually all need to be disposed of and replaced.
"The world has installed more than one terawatt of solar capacity. Ordinary solar panels have a capacity of about 400W, so if you count both rooftops and solar farms, there could be as many as 2.5 billion solar panels.
Energy experts are calling for urgent government action to prevent a looming global environmental disaster.
"It's going to be a waste mountain by 2050, unless we get recycling chains going now," says Ute Collier, deputy director of the International Renewable Energy Agency.
"Over 60% of the value is contained in 3% of the weight of the solar panels," he says.
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-65602519

Once again showing that this is NOT about the environment.

[chad86tsi]

Originally Posted by RM7

I wouldn’t consider 60% to be “almost all”. Id consider that to be “almost half”. If something is described as “almost all”, it damn better be pretty close to all…

[KRS_SN]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...car-ban-china/

European car manufacturers are being forced into a price war with Chinese companies as the EU pushes ahead with plans to ban combustion engines, the boss of BMW has warned.

BMW chief executive Oliver Zipse has said he considered China entering the European market as an “imminent risk” after the development of its electric car market over the last 15 years enveloped much of the world’s battery supply chains.

He said that companies like BMW will likely be shielded from competition from China’s manufacturers, which will target buyers of cheaper vehicles.

Mr Zipse told the Financial Times: “The base car market segment will either vanish or will not be done by European manufacturers.”

In February, the European Parliament voted to approve a new law banning the sale of petrol and diesel cars from 2035.

BMW has presented the first prototype of its future electric-vehicle lineup - the Vision Neue Klasse concept car - which will be on display at this week’s IAA show in Munich.

[M5Rick]

Even if I had a choice without 'them' forcing a hitlerite type command I still wouldn't want any EV that's at risk of igniting. I may have mentioned this before but I'm astounded that the younger generations are ignoring the bigger picture of where this is going to take them, huge cost of living bills especially affecting the less well off, we are seing this getting worse as time goes by with the many encampments in some US cities, I saw the beginnings of it when I was in LA 10 years ago.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Things that make you go Hmmmmm
Challenge to stop solar panels becoming a 'waste mountain'

Experts say billions of panels will eventually all need to be disposed of and replaced.
"The world has installed more than one terawatt of solar capacity. Ordinary solar panels have a capacity of about 400W, so if you count both rooftops and solar farms, there could be as many as 2.5 billion solar panels.
Energy experts are calling for urgent government action to prevent a looming global environmental disaster.
"It's going to be a waste mountain by 2050, unless we get recycling chains going now," says Ute Collier, deputy director of the International Renewable Energy Agency.
"Over 60% of the value is contained in 3% of the weight of the solar panels," he says.
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-65602519

Once again showing that this is NOT about the environment.

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[x622]

Originally Posted by chad86tsi

almost entirely =/= only.




how many states are there where you live?

Alaska power mix:

Coal (11.6%)
Natural Gas (42.3%)
Hydroelectric (29.5%)
Wind (2.2%)
Biomass (0.6%)
Petroleum (13.8%)

Alaska is 67.7 % carbon based, and since it's not predominantly solar, that means there is no "green" time of day to use power there like High solar-source states.

Night charging = using almost entirely carbon based power sources in Alaska too.



FYI : High efficiency Natural gas turbines are 100% Carbon based.

I'm laughing so hard at you trying to explain base load generation to people completely outside of the clue-zone.

What are you going to do next? Talk about peakers and day forward pricing?

[chad86tsi]

Originally Posted by x622

I'm laughing so hard at you trying to explain base load generation to people completely outside of the clue-zone.

What are you going to do next? Talk about peakers and day forward pricing?

Mmmm, curtailment pricing sounds so economically satisfying. Nothing like a good "generation alert" to make the finances run deep into the black.

It will be just like gasoline prices. A Shiek in Arabia catches a cold? 2 week long price-hike at the pump in the US.

As a member of Caliso, we are moving to 5-minute supply trading blocks "because it will save the consumers money" LOL.

[M5Rick]

Probably a good time to post this again.

''Costs more to charge an EV than to fill with gas''
Up to 4:33.

[Car-Addicted]

The hidden costs of charging an electric vehicle nobody is talking about
August 7, 2023
Here are the average monthly costs for all three options. Note that the example gasoline vehicle we’re using gets roughly 33 miles per gallon at the current national average gas price of $3.66 per gallon and assuming that each vehicle goes 1,000 miles per month.

Monthly gasoline vehicle fueling costs: $110
Monthly public EV charging costs: $150
Monthly at-home EV charging costs: $60

Electric cars usually include a Level 1 charger which can be plugged into any 120-volt outlet. However, a Level 1 charger can take a full 20 hours to charge up the vehicle, so many EV owners purchase and install a Level 2 charger in their homes. These EV chargers can add value to the home and they can power up the vehicle in almost half the time.

A Level 2 charger can range in price, but it will typically cost up to $3,500 for both the equipment and installation costs.

Extreme hot and cold temperatures can damage your EV’s battery, ultimately making it charge slower and maintain its charge poorly. That’s why getting your garage ready for an electric vehicle includes creating a temperature-controlled environment to ensure your battery will last longer and be more efficient.

https://www.21oak.com/inspiration/ev...harging-costs/

So if you install your Level 2 charger and charge at home you have to cost average the installation into your miles per kWh calculation. Hard to see the return on investment but what is the value of appearing more green to your friends and neighbors, at least till you have to get towed home a couple times.

[RM7]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

The hidden costs of charging an electric vehicle nobody is talking about
August 7, 2023
Here are the average monthly costs for all three options. Note that the example gasoline vehicle we’re using gets roughly 33 miles per gallon at the current national average gas price of $3.66 per gallon and assuming that each vehicle goes 1,000 miles per month.

Monthly gasoline vehicle fueling costs: $110
Monthly public EV charging costs: $150
Monthly at-home EV charging costs: $60

Electric cars usually include a Level 1 charger which can be plugged into any 120-volt outlet. However, a Level 1 charger can take a full 20 hours to charge up the vehicle, so many EV owners purchase and install a Level 2 charger in their homes. These EV chargers can add value to the home and they can power up the vehicle in almost half the time.

A Level 2 charger can range in price, but it will typically cost up to $3,500 for both the equipment and installation costs.

Extreme hot and cold temperatures can damage your EV’s battery, ultimately making it charge slower and maintain its charge poorly. That’s why getting your garage ready for an electric vehicle includes creating a temperature-controlled environment to ensure your battery will last longer and be more efficient.

https://www.21oak.com/inspiration/ev...harging-costs/

So if you install your Level 2 charger and charge at home you have to cost average the installation into your miles per kWh calculation. Hard to see the return on investment but what is the value of appearing more green to your friends and neighbors, at least till you have to get towed home a couple times.

*** Me, this is literally EVERYONE is talking about this in this thread all the time Mr. i did my research.

And damn, you can average 33mpg! Average. I got 35-6 on one 3hr segment last month on a 1400 mile trip, thats one segment and all highway of course. My “average” is much worse. Or are you driving a prius?

[White8CAB]

See my Ad for Lucid Air Grand touring in bimmerpost classifieds -Range anxiety is a thing of the past.

[Car-Addicted]

Good news. The Carbon tax is back you guess who is going to pay?

Africa Climate Summit Hears Calls for Carbon Tax on World’s Richest Nations
Economic success must have a price and a global tax on carbon emissions can help redress Africa’s chronically low Gross Domestic Product (GDP) rates, Kenya’s President William Ruto declared Tuesday as the first Africa Climate Summit began.
He pointed to “climate change” driven by successful, dynamic economies in Europe, North America and Asia, as a drain on Africa’s economic progress and it’s time to have a global conversation about a carbon tax on the world’s richest nations.
“Those who produce the garbage refuse to pay their bills,” Ruto said, according to AP, echoing others who have also called for carbon tax impositions.
The U.S. government’s special climate envoy, John Kerry, agreed and acknowledged the “acute, unfair debt” carried by Africa nations must be addressed.

https://www.breitbart.com/africa/202...chest-nations/

Now class, repeat after me: This has nothing to do with the environment and everything to do with income redistribution.

China will of course pay their fair share.