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Your point is that the data is wrong? How? It's a 10 year trend line and 2022 was by far the highest point for market share.
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There is an opportunity though. EV values are taking a pounding. If and it's a big if you want a slightly USED ev as a second car there is a killing to be made.
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Pretty much what I am banking on myself, though other than Teslas which I outright refuse to be seen in, there just isn't much options on the used market
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You are the current typical EV adopter. Dual income or well financed, and keep an ICE in the fleet. Great demographic to be in, but the reality is the market has a huge 2nd tier ownership group that can't afford a 2 or 3 car household, and do not have private overnight charging access. This is why some of us see a plateau for BEV adoption. |
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Tesla has already opened part of their network to other manufacturers, committed to opening 7000 to everyone by the end of 2024. Charging times continue to drop, chargers continue to be built. These reduce the barrier to entry and increase the potential market. Yes, sales of everything level off at some point, it will happen to EV's, not going out on a limb to predict this. When/what level will this happen? Yes, well financed people are the first adopters of all new technology. People that bought an EV 10 years ago were really out there as they couldn't drive anywhere. Now we complain about it not being as simple as an ICE. "2 car family with a home charger" - yes it is the best/easiest option. Reality is we make a long road trip 4-5 times a year. If the price drops enough, charging network grows, charging time continues to drop, dealing with an outside charger 4-5 times a year but never going back to a gas station might be the easier/cheaper solution. Apartment complex near me is advertising EV chargers, they believe this is a benefit worth offering. I have a rental house & just built a garage behind it, am wiring it for 240v & be happy to add an EV charger for the right amount of money (they pay all electric, I would like them to pay for the charger over time but could also see not bothering for the right person)
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When finance rates are 7-8%, it makes buying a car new or otherwise, a very hard pill to swallow
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07-14-2023, 10:48 AM | #2784 | |
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Lowest price Model 3 after tax credit is $34k? You are welcome to complain about the tax credit but when I buy an EV I will happily take advantage of it, same with every other tax credit I may or may not agree with.
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It'd be interesting to know how the average $48K retail price is calculated. There are lots of well-equipped Model 3 ICE alternatives for $35K or even less like the Accord, Camry and Altima. The $15K price delta buys 100,000+ miles of gas and maintenance. And they have no range or refueling limitations. |
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You can complain about when the $7500 hits your bank account but you still have to include it in your overall price of the car. If you are interested in how the average price of cars is calculated, look it up. Point was that is the average so there is a significant part of the population spending over $50k, whether they need to or not.
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That's my question.
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Or plug in the $26,300 Camry SE instead of the Accord LX, same difference. The Camry sells about 100,000 more units per year than the Model 3. Last edited by Efthreeoh; 07-15-2023 at 04:53 AM.. |
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EV are still "if" more chargers are built, "if" condensed housing add chargers... "if" charging gets faster, "if" solid state batteries...
If if if if... People buy EV only "if" the Govenment subsidizes them $7,500. Lol. |
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ICE cars can still be had well below the average $48k price being thrown around here. Toyota has a few models that fit that bill. I bought my 2019 Toyota C-HR LE with minimal options for $20,600 OTD in 2019. |
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