The future of tuning?

[Boostedphil698]

With the EPA and emissions getting tighter what do you all think the future of tuning is? Do you think it'll last?

[AlexFL]

The industry will adjust. People already tune Teslas.

[frchdragon]

Originally Posted by AlexFL

The industry will adjust. People already tune Teslas.

It is EV globally, we are going towards hydrogen / EV world no matter what.
It is not only the modding industry that will suffer but the whole supply chain.
The amount of moving parts and parts at a whole is reduced significantly.
Look at the maintenance on an EV compared to ICE, you do inspections and tire rotations.

We are looking at a whole shift in the industry from Tier one suppliers to mechanics, to people enjoying modifying their cars.

Like every significant shifts, we will adapt, and we will thrive.

[Boostedphil698]

Originally Posted by AlexFL

The industry will adjust. People already tune Teslas.

I think most car people enjoy only combustion engines since they make noise haha. I think car enthusiasts will become a lot smaller in the coming years.

[..Rush..]

Not alot of Tesla's sold at Barrett-Jackson last week LOL

[Boostedphil698]

Originally Posted by ..Rush..

Not alot of Tesla's sold at Barrett-Jackson last week LOL

Tesla's are crap.

[OkieSnuffBox]

It's dying. Even big aftermarket companies like Flyin' Miata no longer offer tuning options because they don't want to deal with the EPA.

No big companies have bothered even cracking the NC2 ECU. Many manufacturers have put in counters in the ECU, so even if you return it back to the stock tune before taking it in, the dealer can still see that you've messed with the ECU.

[Boostedphil698]

Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox

It's dying. Even big aftermarket companies like Flyin' Miata no longer offer tuning options because they don't want to deal with the EPA.

No big companies have bothered even cracking the NC2 ECU. Many manufacturers have put in counters in the ECU, so even if you return it back to the stock tune before taking it in, the dealer can still see that you've messed with the ECU.

Yeah it's definitely under attack but just like drugs, people find a way lol.

[R N M]

Originally Posted by AlexFL

The industry will adjust. People already tune Teslas.

They tune the battery?!
Maybe some headers and exhaust lol

Besides tuning- the new cars have too much control with all the safety crap and new tech. They monitor your every move and report back to manufacturer.

New Model S will now decide to go front or back with no shifter needed etc
Honestly besides NAV - there is no new tech that I need on my cars. I even miss the CD slot that Gseries BMWs removed.

[David70]

I think the market will continue to get smaller. Part of this is you used to be able to get easy, large gains from many different areas (intake, exhaust, simple tunes in easily cracked ECU's, throttle bodies, removing cats). Now manufacturers do a better job getting performance out of the car when they build it and they make it harder to tune the car. If you went far enough back you had a car that went 0-60 in 7-8 seconds and taking a 1/2 second out of this time didn't cost much and you would use it everyday. Now it's pretty simple to buy a car in the low 4's, high 5's, (even low 4's), most are pretty happy with it, and the cost and desire to get a 1/2 second faster with the potential problems make it less likely most will bother.

Few options for things to do on the EV and acceleration isn't the problem I have with it.

[OkieSnuffBox]

Originally Posted by R N M

They tune the battery?!

Kind of. Essentially they adjust the amperage limits from the battery to the motors. More juice more power.

But that introduces a lot of extra heat into the batteries, cables, and motors, that they weren't designed to handle.

[fgpalmer71]

Like someone else mentioned.....it's like drugs, if people want it then other people will supply it. The only way it totally dies is if we begin to purchase new vehicles that come maxed out from the factory. Cars that are released with their full potential unleashed making it so it's not possible to eeek out a pony more.

[ky0u]

Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox

Kind of. Essentially they adjust the amperage limits from the battery to the motors. More juice more power.

But that introduces a lot of extra heat into the batteries, cables, and motors, that they weren't designed to handle.

TBF, tuning an ICE also introduces a lot of extra stress, heat, etc on components that they "weren't designed to handle" as well.

Not familiar with the capabilities behind EVs or anything, but I'm assuming that just like ICE, EVs have tolerance thresholds built into their power supplies that are safely above what is actually utilized. After all, it'd be a recipe for failure to release something working at max potential under normal use. So maybe they have some safe wiggle room to play with, more or less the same principle as ICE tuning

[FC4]

Tuning and aftermarket support is driven by demand. So long as the demand is there, the market will clear itself.

The "war against tuning" has been talked about for as long as I could remember, but the market is stronger than ever today. I've lived in CA my entire life and I've never encountered regulatory limitations to how I modify and tune my cars.

[AlexFL]

Originally Posted by R N M

They tune the battery?!
Maybe some headers and exhaust lol

Besides tuning- the new cars have too much control with all the safety crap and new tech. They monitor your every move and report back to manufacturer.

New Model S will now decide to go front or back with no shifter needed etc
Honestly besides NAV - there is no new tech that I need on my cars. I even miss the CD slot that Gseries BMWs removed.

battery tune and software hacks...

[AlexFL]

Originally Posted by AlexFL

battery tune and software hacks...

but Teslas now detect the 50 hp hack and this crap pops up.

[OkieSnuffBox]

Originally Posted by ky0u

TBF, tuning an ICE also introduces a lot of extra stress, heat, etc on components that they "weren't designed to handle" as well.

For an NA car, not really. Is adding a few % a big deal? No.

Let me give you an example. For a BRZ, even a catless header and E85 tune will add roughly 25-30 hp to a 200 hp engine.

Edelbrock will sell you a supercharger kit that bumps the car up to 250whp and give you a 3/36k powertrain warranty, if installed by a certified tech.

[ky0u]

Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox

For an NA car, not really. Is adding a few % a big deal? No.

Let me give you an example. For a BRZ, even a catless header and E85 tune will add roughly 25-30 hp to a 200 hp engine.

Edelbrock will sell you a supercharger kit that bumps the car up to 250whp and give you a 3/36k powertrain warranty, if installed by a certified tech.

Oh no doubt, I agree with you. That was ultimately what I was trying to get at, sorry if ambigious. I put "designed to handle" in quotes as in, if that meant what its factory stock set up was

ICEs, na or fi, arent produced to operate at their max potential. There's always significant safety margin built in between normal operation and max capability. Any tweak to increase power will add stress to components, there's no getting around that. But since that wiggle room exists, it's not like your engine will instantly grenade by squeezing anymore power out

I'm assuming EVs are built the same way. I can't imagine it'd be practical if production EVs were rolling out with their batterys/drivetrain operating at max capacity. So there has to be at least some room to play with in terms of tuning I would think