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      02-12-2016, 04:52 PM   #67
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An AWD E30? Wow, you really do learn something new everyday.
Here's a review of a 325iX from 1988:
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      02-12-2016, 04:59 PM   #68
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jk but maybe haha
I did think that briefly. I don't think that any of the responses have been all that surprising though.
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audi has no stick. must hold onto the S4 forever.
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      02-12-2016, 08:44 PM   #70
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I did think that briefly. I don't think that any of the responses have been all that surprising though.
Well, if audi suddenly starts making rwd cars with lsd's and the engine not so much in the front I'm all for it
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...but they still make pretty nice cars
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Well, if audi suddenly starts making rwd cars with lsd's and the engine not so much in the front I'm all for it
Apart from the R8 (which is 4wd but rear biased), there's no chance!
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exactly

...but they still make pretty nice cars
They're pretty but nice? Hmmm...
I notice the new RS3 has immediately fallen off the hot hatch darling list.
In fact the M135i is still What Car's no.1 hot hatch over £20k.
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They're pretty but nice? Hmmm...
I notice the new RS3 has immediately fallen off the hot hatch darling list.
In fact the M135i is still What Car's no.1 hot hatch over £20k.
So you're saying Audi doesn't make some pretty nice cars just because one publication's opinion (not even a top 5 publication for that matter) ranked BMW over Audi for the hot hatch segment?
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Here's a review of a 325iX from 1988:
It's always funny watching old videos.

"The 325iX shows that AWD is here to stay." (except for the E36 apparently)

"The obligatory BMW tool kit is here too, but we always wonder if BMW owners use them."
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So you're saying Audi doesn't make some pretty nice cars just because one publication's opinion (not even a top 5 publication for that matter) ranked BMW over Audi for the hot hatch segment?
Over here every piece of car media ranks the M135i over the S3 and RS3. Not even top 5? What Car is probably in the top two over here.

Audi cannot make cars that handle well; fact. They can make pretty cars with nice interiors and a sledgehammer of power so they go fast on straight lines.

And their core customer base is FWD diesel cars. Fundamental difference. A base model 1/2/3/4/5/6/7 series handles very well.
A base model A1/2/3/4/5/6/8 handles very badly.

The end.
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OP works for audi and is collecting free data.

jk but maybe haha
That's the first thing that came to my mind. I'd take R8 over I8 if that helps him...
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Let me prefance this statement by saying I reallllllllllllllllllly like Audi's, but only the S series, RS series, and R8's.

#2 to me behind BMW.

But.......

If I bought a Audi S4 to me it is a VW Passat with little more luxury and a V8 (or Supercharged 6). There is no BS BMW variant. There are consumer level BMW's, but its not like BMW has some consumer brand.
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Over here every piece of car media ranks the M135i over the S3 and RS3. Not even top 5? What Car is probably in the top two over here.

Audi cannot make cars that handle well; fact. They can make pretty cars with nice interiors and a sledgehammer of power so they go fast on straight lines.

And their core customer base is FWD diesel cars. Fundamental difference. A base model 1/2/3/4/5/6/7 series handles very well.
A base model A1/2/3/4/5/6/8 handles very badly.

The end.
I don't understand this weird generalization. Not every Audi is terrible at handling and not every BMW is great at handling. I've always found Audi & BMW models to be very close to each other atleast in base model/luxury segments' driving experience. Once you get into performance cars things get a little more nuanced. Most of it comes down to personal choices and intangibles. Also, I wouldn't put too much emphasis on car reviews. If car reviews are gospel, I would be driving a Fiesta ST instead of a Mini Cooper S because almost every car magazine in the US rated the FiST higher than the MCS. Did you ever drive an RS3? If not, I wouldn't be too quick to call it worthless.
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Here's a review of a 325iX from 1988:
I see a few of those up here around Anchorage.
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I don't understand this weird generalization. Not every Audi is terrible at handling and not every BMW is great at handling. I've always found Audi & BMW models to be very close to each other atleast in base model/luxury segments' driving experience. Once you get into performance cars things get a little more nuanced. Most of it comes down to personal choices and intangibles. Also, I wouldn't put too much emphasis on car reviews. If car reviews are gospel, I would be driving a Fiesta ST instead of a Mini Cooper S because almost every car magazine in the US rated the FiST higher than the MCS. Did you ever drive an RS3? If not, I wouldn't be too quick to call it worthless.
While I use reviews as a guide, I judge mainly on personal experience.
I've driven a lot of cars.
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      02-14-2016, 09:32 AM   #82
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While I use reviews as a guide, I judge mainly on personal experience.
I've driven a lot of cars.
So do I, and other folks here too, and I feel you're being a bit too generous with BMW and a bit too harsh towards Audi.

Now, as I said earlier in the thread, I picked BMW for a reason, many in fact, but both brands have some great cars in their lineup.
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      02-14-2016, 10:13 AM   #83
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1. Why did you choose BMW over Audi?
2. Name 2 features you wish your current car had at the time of purchase.
3. Overall do you like your experience with your dealer?
4. What are you thinking will be your next car purchase?
  1. BMW was prettier, lighter, mechanically simpler, more reliable, and had less letters in its name
  2. Sport seats, LSD, accujack
  3. My experience with who?
  4. Some Q-ship or another, probably Japanese but BMW is still in the running. It'll be used.
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So do I, and other folks here too, and I feel you're being a bit too generous with BMW and a bit too harsh towards Audi.

Now, as I said earlier in the thread, I picked BMW for a reason, many in fact, but both brands have some great cars in their lineup.
The R8 is pretty good, the A4 Allroad BiTDI isn't bad, the S1 is quite fun, the SQ5 is fairly decent, the RS6 is fast but way too heavy.
That's it for me; can't think of any others.

The bulk of Audis cars are "pretend" sporty cars. No matter what body kit and giant wheels you put on your 2.0 diesel FWD saloon, it's still a 2.0 diesel FWD saloon. You just cannot make a good, balanced cars with an engine so far forwards and in most cases, FWD or Haldex AWD.

They come up with the odd decent motor (e.g. B7 RS4) but so often they just disappoint. All that platform sharing with Seat, Skoda and VW doesn't help just like every brand ruined by GM.
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1, A mistake that choose the E92 335i (6MT) over S5 8 yr ago because Audi dealer was so mean and not let me test drive the S5. That mistake fixed 3 years ago after I pull the trigger and bought the S5(6MT too) eventually! But then another big mistake was instead of trade in the 335i, I keep it! Now my beautiful montego blue E92 335i is a big garage queen now! I always have to find some reason to drive the 335i but my butt still prefer behind the wheel of the S5!

My S5 with sport diff brake & handle as good as RWD 335i, but engine & 6MT from S5 is way better than 335i.

2, Wish my 335i has Audi engine & Honda MT, wish my S5 use less fuel

3, Driving BMW for the past 20yr, all the BMW salesman are very good but service department is the other side maybe I visit the service department too often!

4, no idea! Maybe a Cayman or WRX to replace the 335. But my 335 is really a beauty to keep as a furniture just not willing to drive it! So dun plan to buy a 5th car for near future
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I cross-shopped the 2015 models of Audi S3, Mustang GT, and M235i, and test drove all of them before choosing the BMW.

I liked a lot of things about the S3. The one I drove had the Daytona Grey package with red leather seat inserts and interior accents. The interior was amazing. The gauges and electronics were also amazing - much better than the M235i dash, IMO. I even liked the exterior styling a bit more than the BMW truth be told.

Driving the car, it was very responsive to both steering and throttle inputs, and stuck like glue everywhere.

The deal-breaker: no manual gearbox.
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I cross-shopped the 2015 models of Audi S3, Mustang GT, and M235i, and test drove all of them before choosing the BMW.

I liked a lot of things about the S3. The one I drove had the Daytona Grey package with red leather seat inserts and interior accents. The interior was amazing. The gauges and electronics were also amazing - much better than the M235i dash, IMO. I even liked the exterior styling a bit more than the BMW truth be told.

Driving the car, it was very responsive to both steering and throttle inputs, and stuck like glue everywhere.

The deal-breaker: no manual gearbox.
Have to ask. What is it with manual transmission and the US? I see that comment a lot and was just curious. In SA people hardly care for a clutch on such a car.
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Im working on a research project and generally trying to gather information about the luxury car segment. Figured this forum could be a source of valuable information, so if you don't mind, please make a post answering the following questions:

1. Why did you choose BMW over Audi?
2. Name 2 features you wish your current car had at the time of purchase.
3. Overall do you like your experience with your dealer?
4. What are you thinking will be your next car purchase?

Thanks!
1) Because Audi's are Rebadged VW's.

2.)A.) Cooled seats B.) More power

3.) Dealer was great.

4.) I've had my share of sports cars. Time to change things up, Ford Raptor.
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