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      08-02-2021, 11:20 AM   #969
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Why do you conveniently forget or refuse to acknowledge that the vaccines are helpful in protecting people against severe disease and death? People that haven't been vaccinated are getting sicker than those that have with delta. Studies conducted in Scotland, Canada and Singapore shown in the leaked CDC slideshow showed that people infected with the delta strain maybe 3 to 4 times more likely to end up in the hospital and twice as likely to die compared with previous strains.

So again, it's not only about stopping the virus, because as has been argued multiple times throughout this thread, it's not a matter of "if", but "when". It's the severity of the reaction to the virus once you get it. If you do become gravely ill you will be going to the hospital and taking up valuable time and resources of our hospital systems. We've seen the results when that happens. People are unable to have normal medical procedures taken care of due to the system getting inundated by many stubborn or ignorant people.
Obesity kills people too, lifestyle choice. So what? What about alcoholism, smoking?

Why can't people be free to choose what they put in their body?
My mom's coronary ablation procedure was put off for 3 months last year and it wasn't because the hospital was jam packed with fat people.
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Remember when....

The Dems said there would be no vaccine. Certainly not in this short of timeframe, especially with Trump at the helm. Not possible because science said so.

Then they said that they would absolutely not take a Trump vaccine.

Now its "let's put politics aside and everyone better take the EXPERIMENTAL/NOT APPROVED vaccine or else."


I wonder if that sort of thing has played into vaccine hesitancy among the non-sheep? Just a thought.

Talk about eating crow!
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Remember when....

The Dems said there would be no vaccine. Certainly not in this short of timeframe, especially with Trump at the helm. Not possible because science said so.

Then they said that they would absolutely not take a Trump vaccine.

Now its "let's put politics aside and everyone better take the EXPERIMENTAL/NOT APPROVED vaccine or else."


I wonder if that sort of thing has played into vaccine hesitancy among the non-sheep? Just a thought.

Talk about eating crow!
Hey! I don't remember any of that!
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Remember when he posted evidence of them saying that?

I don't either
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Waiting on the Governor of Colorado's announcement, but just watched the Mayor of Denver's public briefing. The City and County of Denver is now requiring that all city employees as well as private-sector workers in high-risk settings, be fully vaccinated.

That's over 10,000 people.

The order applies to Denver’s municipal workforce, police officers, firefighters, sheriff’s deputies, workers in congregate-care settings and teachers and staff in schools and post-secondary institutions.

The lawyer that spoke afterwards was really pushing "enforcement and accountability", "compliance" and how private businesses will have to keep and provide records.

THAT I have some issues with. The Federal government refuses to come out with a mandate or database of vaccination receipt (My vote? Have one, but with the ability to opt out if you want)-- but they're punting and letting the dirty work fall onto private businesses and entities. That really seems like a dodge of their responsibility to me-- they weren't elected to "pass the buck"-- they're supposed to lead, and city and state governments are supposed to follow; not the other way around.

On the plus side, NO mask mandate in Denver.

Yet.

Although individual business can force mask compliance for entry if desired.
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Remember when....

The Dems said there would be no vaccine. Certainly not in this short of timeframe, especially with Trump at the helm. Not possible because science said so.

Then they said that they would absolutely not take a Trump vaccine.

Now its "let's put politics aside and everyone better take the EXPERIMENTAL/NOT APPROVED vaccine or else."


I wonder if that sort of thing has played into vaccine hesitancy among the non-sheep? Just a thought.

Talk about eating crow!
Like they say in Missouri:

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Remember when....

The Dems said there would be no vaccine. Certainly not in this short of timeframe, especially with Trump at the helm. Not possible because science said so.

Then they said that they would absolutely not take a Trump vaccine.

Now its "let's put politics aside and everyone better take the EXPERIMENTAL/NOT APPROVED vaccine or else."


I wonder if that sort of thing has played into vaccine hesitancy among the non-sheep? Just a thought.

Talk about eating crow!
Yeah, no, I don't remember any of that.

What I do remember is that while I disagreed with about 99% of what the Trump administration did over the course of 4 years, they did get do a good job of removing roadblocks to fast tracking the vaccine development and approval. I have to give them props there. The development and subsequent launch, under Trump, was really good. No finger pointing here by this Leftie. Job well done.

What I find interesting is that a vaccine developed under Trump, approved under Trump, and even taken by Trump is so mistrusted by the Right.
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Yeah, no, I don't remember any of that.

What I find interesting is that a vaccine developed under Trump, approved under Trump, and even taken by Trump is so mistrusted by the Right.
Ha, this! Makes no sense, like so many other things said on this thread.
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Hey! I don't remember any of that!
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Like they say in Missouri:

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i posted about it nearly 1,000,000 pages ago now.

With just a little googling, there are tons of articles with quotes from some of the top democrats, and then there are also studies of being vaccine hesitant from sept/october and then from nov/dec and there is a clear change in percentages based on political affiliation.
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Yeah, no, I don't remember any of that.

What I do remember is that while I disagreed with about 99% of what the Trump administration did over the course of 4 years, they did get do a good job of removing roadblocks to fast tracking the vaccine development and approval. I have to give them props there. The development and subsequent launch, under Trump, was really good. No finger pointing here by this Leftie. Job well done.

What I find interesting is that a vaccine developed under Trump, approved under Trump, and even taken by Trump is so mistrusted by the Right.
fwiw, republicans werent as open to a fast tracked vaccine prior to the election either.
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Hey! I don't remember any of that!
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Like they say in Missouri:

Show me!
i posted about it nearly 1,000,000 pages ago now
Still waiting here........show me!
If you posted it, it should be pretty easy to find.
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Still waiting here........show me!
If you posted it, it should be pretty easy to find.
youre smart enough, you can google.

https://www.google.com/search?q=demo...hrome&ie=UTF-8

Also, the studies and graphs were posted once.
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Yeah, no, I don't remember any of that.

What I do remember is that while I disagreed with about 99% of what the Trump administration did over the course of 4 years, they did get do a good job of removing roadblocks to fast tracking the vaccine development and approval. I have to give them props there. The development and subsequent launch, under Trump, was really good. No finger pointing here by this Leftie. Job well done.

What I find interesting is that a vaccine developed under Trump, approved under Trump, and even taken by Trump is so mistrusted by the Right.
Well CDC data says otherwise. Vaccinations: 59% White, 9% Black, 16% Hispanic, 6% Asian.

I've been told by the media for 5 years now that most all non-white people hate Trump. So...

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I completely agree with the premise, this would be America's finest hour.

https://www.thebulwark.com/vaccinate-the-world-now/
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youre smart enough, you can google.

https://www.google.com/search?q=demo...hrome&ie=UTF-8

Also, the studies and graphs were posted once.
Just ignore that quote from V.P. Harris from Sept. 2020...

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/05/polit...ntv/index.html



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Still waiting here........show me!
If you posted it, it should be pretty easy to find.
youre smart enough, you can google.

https://www.google.com/search?q=demo...e&ie=UTF-8

Also, the studies and graphs were posted once.
Did you read those articles? There were some anti-VAX or articles, and out right opinion pieces. Nice work.

Overall, your premise is simply whataboutism.
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Yeah and just ignore the fact the previous President called COVID a hoax.
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youre smart enough, you can google.

https://www.google.com/search?q=demo...e&ie=UTF-8

Also, the studies and graphs were posted once.
Just ignore that quote from V.P. Harris from Sept. 2020...

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/05/polit...ntv/index.html



Lol.
Did you even bother reading the headline of this article?

'I will not take his word for it': Kamala Harris says she would not trust Trump alone on a coronavirus vaccine
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Just ignore that quote from V.P. Harris from Sept. 2020...

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/05/polit...ntv/index.html

Lol.
Good for her! I wouldn't trust Trump alone (as she said) as far as I could throw him, either.
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Did you read those articles? There were some anti-VAX or articles, and out right opinion pieces. Nice work.

Overall, your premise is simply whataboutism.
i forgot actual quotes from cuomo, harris, biden, pelosi and others, are opinion pieces.

You can blast the website posting an article all you want, but if you actually took the time to read through articles or watched interviews given, you may actually learn something.
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i forgot actual quotes from cuomo, harris, biden, pelosi and others, are opinion pieces.

You can blast the website posting an article all you want, but if you actually took the time to read through articles or watched interviews given, you may actually learn something.
They were wary of a vaccine pushed by trump, wary of a vaccine trump pushed out via EUA that hadnt been FDA approved, etc. All in an effort to cast doubt on Trump and his handling of the vaccine and covid in general. They did not trust a vaccine pushed out before the election.

But the vaccine announced on 11/5, that is fine.

if you dont see the hypocrisy, i dont know what to tell you.
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Did you even bother reading the headline of this article?

'I will not take his word for it': Kamala Harris says she would not trust Trump alone on a coronavirus vaccine
Please, lol, if she wasn't making a political statement about the Warp Speed vaccine, she wouldn't have had to even mention Trump's name.

Yet from the CNN article...

"When asked by Bash whether she thought that public health experts and scientists would get the last word on the efficacy of a vaccine, Harris predicted that they will not.

"If past is prologue that they will not, they'll be muzzled, they'll be suppressed, they will be sidelined," Harris said. "Because he's looking at an election coming up in less than 60 days and he's grasping to get whatever he can to pretend he has been a leader on this issue when he is not."

She is inferring that Trump would not let the truth out if the case were (in 2020 prior to the election) that the efficacy wasn't up to snuff, so the American public would have to rely just on Trump's word. When you go review the history from just 10 months ago, it is clear Trump relied on the CDC to make its findings regarding efficacy. Miraculously results of the vaccines efficacy came out a week or two after the election. Amazing that timing was...

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