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Ferrari to face hearing, finally.
Ferrari to face hearing, finally. I believe we were promised this would occur a long time ago but w/e.
I Think they should be HEAVILY penalized, this year has been great, instead of 2 or 3 teams fighting for top positions we have had 6 drivers of 3 teams fighting for top positions. It has been great to watch, and that fighting has even cost some teams greatly. For Ferrari to just circumvent that and go there own way it's not fair to the teams who have already lost so much by playing fair and giving the fans a race. At a minimum I think their points from that race should be stripped if not given further sanctions and penalties. Quote:
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It's like a trial judge passing down a judgment to his own son. Of course they're going to get off scott free...
To be honest, the only people who actually care are the fans and the only reason a rule was made was because of the audience outcry after some of the more deliberate team orders. The teams and officials could really give two shits about it as they believe it's a team sport and that is helpful to a team trying to win.
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Given there's a flaw on the regulation and penalty. Not too surprised that Ferrari can get away from this. The regulation only said "No Team orders are permitted" or something vague like this. From what they have said in German GP, they still have room to deny any team orders.
Even tho everyone knows Ferrari is un-ethical to "order" Massa to move over. But you cannot prohibit teams to make decisions for a team sport.
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Meanwhile Lotus releases a "track day car" that looks suspiciously close to its F1 car...
Sure, everyone knows what was going on, but if you can make it work within the rules, more power to you. It seems for the team orders rule this is as simple as suggesting your teammate is faster than you - I'm surprised more of this doesn't happen considering how easy it would be to pre designate "code" words or something... Put me in the camp that less regulation is better for F1...not this overbearing monstrosity of an organization that has 1984-esque insight into everything |
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Here's my take. First of all, it's practically impossible for any Ferrari driver to win, and same goes for Ferrari as a constructor. Unless that happens, then that decision would become a factor. Second of all, with all the negative press and ridicule, not to mention dragging the bosses to a hearing, I really doubt they'd do it again, extra penalty or not. But do they deserve to get further penalized? Absolutely, and I hope they do.
They agreed to race with the current rules, whether they like them or not. Just like all of us have to follow rules at work, when we drive, how we behave (social rules), etc. They were the equivalent of a rich bully: 'Hey, I can do whatever the hell I want, and if I get caught, 'daddy' bails me out'. It's definitely NOT the right message at any level. If you agree to race under certain conditions, YOU FOLLOW THE DAMN RULES . And what pisses me off more than anything is insulting everybody's intelligence by arguing they made no orders; at least have the freaking balls to admit the obvious. Okay, rant off . Hey, please post results of the hearing . Last edited by JCtx; 09-08-2010 at 05:33 PM.. |
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The only problem with the post above mine is that penalties should not vary depending on standing.
Take the drive through issue with Hamilton and Alonso. Alonso was pissed that Hamilton was still ahead after the penalty. Does this mean that his penalty should have been more severe? Absolutely not. The penalty fit the infraction. He just had a large enough lead time for it to not matter that much.
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"Tire pressures normal" = tire pressures normal but repeated twice (ie "tire pressures normal, tire pressures normal") with your teammate behind you means to let him past brb sending resume to all F1 teams |
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I say that every team should hire a baseball coach as a team principle and then have them stand on pitwall. Let's the drivers look at them while they fly by
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http://planetf1.com/news/3213/636695...-WMSC-decision
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I don't think saying it needs to be evaluated means it needs to be gone. They could be either considering removing or beefing it up.
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Adultery has also been around forever; does that make it acceptable? So what's your point: Just follow the rules you want? Or just the ones that haven't been 'around forever'? That 'cheating' mentality is what gets a lot of folks in trouble, be it marriage, business, taxes, etc. And yes, those folks are compulsive liers that think they can get away with it. But the worst kind are the ones who expect employees/subordinates/associates/etc. to cover for them, or like politicians like to call it, being 'loyal'. If everybody had that mentality, we'd be in the toilet now. Seems trivial, but it's not: nobody likes rules, but imagine if nobody followed any? It's a freaking rule is in place, you need to follow it. If you don't like it, get it changed.... if you can. That's the same way society works. Okay, rant off. Hope you got my point .
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apparently the governing body didn't think it was as serious as your post below.
btw, no where did I say it was ok. my point, being it didn't set in, was that F1 is a TEAM sport, PERIOD. And the TEAMS have been using team orders since day one. Quote:
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Everyone else was playing by the rules, and ferrari blatantly violated them.
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I for one am glad that Ferrari didn't receive any further penalties.
It seems really silly to me that in a sport where the rules state that the 2 cars that the constructors field have to have 95% identical paint jobs. And there is a lso a championship for the constructors, that is separate from the drivers championship. So why do they impose a rule that doesn't allow the teams to work as one cohesive unit, when they have many other rules in place that FORCES the team to act as a unit? Sound very contradictory to me. Oh and also, to see what might have been the outcome of the German GP for Ferrari, if they hadn't asked Massa to move over, just see the Bahrain GP and Vettel's attempted pass on Webber.
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My first season. That's funny. Btw team battles that cause a wreck is not the same as team orders. |
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Here's Jenson Button's thoughts about team orders. And yes, he's a F1 DRIVER . Spoiler: if team orders are reinstated, he'll be quitting. Enjoy:
http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/391131...-motor_sports/ |
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