When will Max win his first championship?

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by e90335e36m3

Now guys, if Max starts beating Lewis, I don't want to hear, "it's the technology/engine/magic bullet", his wins will be primarily talent driven, just like Lewis's. Fair is fair.

Mate . You nailed it !
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Merc fanboys : It's *NOT the car . It's the *DRIVER , the *GOAT !

48 hours to go ....

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by e90335e36m3

Now guys, if Max starts beating Lewis, I don't want to hear, "it's the technology/engine/magic bullet", his wins will be primarily talent driven, just like Lewis's. Fair is fair.

Make sure you only wear your RED BULL top mate

[e90335e36m3]

I'll wear both the Mercedes and Red Bull stuff to make sure my bases are covered.
I'm just kind of stoking the fire here.
Mostly curious what position MKSixer will take if Max starts winning. So far it's been smooth sailing for the talent argument. Maybe headed for choppy waters?

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by e90335e36m3

I'll wear both the Mercedes and Red Bull stuff to make sure my bases are covered.
I'm just kind of stoking the fire here.
Mostly curious what position MKSixer will take if Max starts winning. So far it's been smooth sailing for the talent argument. Maybe headed for choppy waters?

No we're all okay with our P's and Q's here, it's not like on a footie thread.

[Ngilbe36]

Originally Posted by e90335e36m3

I'll wear both the Mercedes and Red Bull stuff to make sure my bases are covered.
I'm just kind of stoking the fire here.
Mostly curious what position MKSixer will take if Max starts winning. So far it's been smooth sailing for the talent argument. Maybe headed for choppy waters?

Half of this thread is just people stoking the fire. You are more than welcome. I am just here for some good racing. I only rag on Max and talk up Ham to antagonize Thing 1 and Thing 2.

[SenorFunkyPants]

If Red Bull win its because they are cheating....and Verstappen is nothing special its just the car.
Just checking.

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by e90335e36m3

I'll wear both the Mercedes and Red Bull stuff to make sure my bases are covered.
I'm just kind of stoking the fire here.
Mostly curious what position MKSixer will take if Max starts winning. So far it's been smooth sailing for the talent argument. Maybe headed for choppy waters?

The same position that has been taken here about Sir Lewis:
He's a cheat. It's the car. It's the FIA wanting him to win. RBR has a special deal with the FIA to allow them illegal aero developments. The Honda engine has special power modes. All of them illegal. They have special tires. It's the car.

Did I miss anything?

[rcracin]

Originally Posted by MKSixer

The same position that has been taken here about Sir Lewis:
He's a cheat. It's the car. It's the FIA wanting him to win. RBR has a special deal with the FIA to allow them illegal aero developments. The Honda engine has special power modes. All of them illegal. They have special tires. It's the car.

Did I miss anything?

Nailed it

[Ngilbe36]

Originally Posted by rcracin

Nailed it

You forgot the team treating the #2 like a side kick so that the #1 can win.

[rcracin]

Originally Posted by Ngilbe36

You forgot the team treating the #2 like a side kick so that the #1 can win.

That’s correct. The puppy on a leash

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by rcracin

Nailed it

Originally Posted by Ngilbe36

You forgot the team treating the #2 like a side kick so that the #1 can win.

Originally Posted by rcracin

That’s correct. The puppy on a leash

Thanks for the help, gentlemen! It's tough to keep all the sour grapes in one basket. And on The Team Treating #2 like a side kick so that the #1 can win.

And then there is this:

Looking back at his predicament, Gasly suggests he wasn't always treated fairly at Red Bull compared to the driver sitting on the other side of the garage.

"The car wasn’t perfect, and I was doing my best to try to improve and learn each week," he said.

"But like … here’s what I’ll say about it: it was a difficult time for me at Red Bull because I didn’t feel like I was really supported and treated the same way as others there have been. And for me … that’s something that I just can’t accept.

"I was working my ass off every day, trying to get results for the team, but I was not being given all the tools I needed to succeed," he continued. "I would try to offer solutions, but my voice wasn’t heard, or it would take weeks to see changes.

"For whatever reason, I was never going to be a fit in that seat — it was just never going to work."

https://f1i.com/news/400089-gasly-ad...g-to-work.html

[SenorFunkyPants]

[Ngilbe36]

Originally Posted by MKSixer

Thanks for the help, gentlemen! It's tough to keep all the sour grapes in one basket. And on The Team Treating #2 like a side kick so that the #1 can win.

And then there is this:

Looking back at his predicament, Gasly suggests he wasn't always treated fairly at Red Bull compared to the driver sitting on the other side of the garage.

"The car wasn’t perfect, and I was doing my best to try to improve and learn each week," he said.

"But like … here’s what I’ll say about it: it was a difficult time for me at Red Bull because I didn’t feel like I was really supported and treated the same way as others there have been. And for me … that’s something that I just can’t accept.

"I was working my ass off every day, trying to get results for the team, but I was not being given all the tools I needed to succeed," he continued. "I would try to offer solutions, but my voice wasn’t heard, or it would take weeks to see changes.

"For whatever reason, I was never going to be a fit in that seat — it was just never going to work."

https://f1i.com/news/400089-gasly-ad...g-to-work.html

I heard Buxton mention this article in the Weekend Warm-up but hadnt read it yet. Thanks!

[Killed by Death]

I voted this year, maybe MB got it wrong for the first time in a long time

If not 2021 it will be 2022 IMHO

NO, I"M not a RB fan boy and HAM can suck it!!!!!!

ICEMAN 4EVA,,,then LEC bitche$

[e90335e36m3]

I can't tell sarcasm on a forum but if this pace is real, this is about the best case of driver evolution in one summer.

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

I voted this year, maybe MB got it wrong for the first time in a long time

If not 2021 it will be 2022 IMHO

NO, I"M not a RB fan boy and HAM can suck it!!!!!!

ICEMAN 4EVA,,,then LEC bitche$

Iceman. LOL! Gifted the championship when his team mate slowed down to let him get ahead. False Champion.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by MKSixer

Iceman. LOL! Gifted the championship when his team mate slowed down to let him get ahead. False Champion.

My good friend . BOT did it for HAM as well.....And more than once .It was like Wolff pushed on his brake pedal !

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by e90335e36m3

Now guys, if Max starts beating Lewis, I don't want to hear, "it's the technology/engine/magic bullet", his wins will be primarily talent driven, just like Lewis's. Fair is fair.

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Mate . You nailed it !
*
Merc fanboys : It's *NOT the car . It's the *DRIVER , the *GOAT !

48 hours to go ....

Originally Posted by M5theonlyone

Make sure you only wear your RED BULL top mate

To be clear, are each of you admitting the talent of Sir Lewis in winning races and championships?

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

My good friend . BOT did it for HAM as well.....And more than once .It was like Wolff pushed on his brake pedal !

My dear friend, this is not true. BOT moved over for Russia in 2018. The other time he was asked to move over to allow Lewis to attack the car in front, Lewis gave the place back when he was unsuccessful. Lewis is an honorable racer who needs no assistance to win races and championships. You know this, my friend. Don't denigrate his achievement. It's very unbecoming.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by MKSixer

My dear friend, this is not true. BOT moved over for Russia in 2018. The other time he was asked to move over to allow Lewis to attack the car in front, Lewis gave the place back when he was unsuccessful. Lewis is an honorable racer who needs no assistance to win races and championships. You know this, my friend. Don't denigrate his achievement. It's very unbecoming.

What are your expectations for the QF and the race ?

[e90335e36m3]

Originally Posted by MKSixer

To be clear, are each of you admitting the talent of Sir Lewis in winning races and championships?

I clearly don't convey sarcasm on forums any better than I understand it, but all sarcasm aside, I genuinely believe that most of the winning in F1 is on the account of the technology. Yes, driver talent is mandatory and there are truly more talented drivers than others, but making the GOAT argument with the level of confidence you do, discounts the technology advantage too much.

To be clear, LH winning is primarily on the account of the technological advantage he has enjoyed over his career.

Likewise, if MV starts dominating this year, it is that same technological advantage that he will start enjoying this year over the competition.

I hope he does start winning, because it absolutely supports the opinion I've tried to state over the last few posts.

Not really sure where you stand if MV starts winning MK, all sarcasm aside but I think your GOAT argument takes a hit.

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by e90335e36m3

I clearly don't convey sarcasm on forums any better than I understand it, but all sarcasm aside, I genuinely believe that most of the winning in F1 is on the account of the technology. Yes, driver talent is mandatory and there are truly more talented drivers than others, but making the GOAT argument with the level of confidence you do, discounts the technology advantage too much.

To be clear, LH winning is primarily on the account of the technological advantage he has enjoyed over his career.

Likewise, if MV starts dominating this year, it is that same technological advantage that he will start enjoying this year over the competition.

I hope he does start winning, because it absolutely supports the opinion I've tried to state over the last few posts.

Not really sure where you stand if MV starts winning MK, all sarcasm aside but I think your GOAT argument takes a hit.

You are incorrect, my friend. Review the 2009 season.