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      03-13-2023, 06:29 PM   #1629
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Youíre absolutely right. I donít know. Itís just that common sense tells me this is probably a huge problem. Itís not really a problem for those people who have chargers at their house and an ICE car for longer trips. However, people who live in apartments that buy an electric vehicle as their only car are probably running into problems. It logically makes sense.
If an EV was my only car, then i fucked up. I would admit that.

People have to judge their lifestyle and commute before committing to this.

I don't have level 2 at my house but my GF does. And there's about 8 SC stations within a 4 mile radius of me. And 2 or 3 by my job.

If i have to take a road trip, which i never do, i'd rent a car to do it anyway. I wouldn't even take any of my cars. ICE or EV.

We have to give it time and let this progression happen. We can't just put a bullseye on EV and think of every scenario where it couldn't work and just say the whole thing can't work. It works. It's been working for many people already. You just have to understand if it'll work FOR YOU.

It works for me so i'm happy.
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You're saying they need to have them everywhere like gas stations. Well they are building them. It's not like they're not. Just because you're not hearing about them, doesn't mean they're not already in process.
google maps will show you where they are, among many mapping sites on the net. They aren't everywhere like gas stations are.

Here is an interesting thought: large events. About 250K people attend the Indy 500 every year. If we convert to all EV's, and that number requires 100K EV's to travel for that event, and those 100K EV's all need charged once and only once for this event, and the average battery recharge is 65KWh (super conservative here), that's 6.5 GWh. Even if this load spread over a week, where will all that power come from?

As a contrast, 100K cars driving 300 miles at 25MPG is about 1.2 million gallons of gas. Spread over a week that's less than 1% of Indiana's normal gasoline consumption/capacity.
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Exactly brother. Who knows though maybe theyíll figure out a way to charge a car to 100% in less than five minutes. If that happens, it will fix most of the problem.
You mean the as-yet un-invented technology that this is all hinging on? The unobtanium battery? They have a guy working on that! He's about to have a breakthrough, any day now...
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google maps will show you where they are, among many mapping sites on the net. They aren't everywhere like gas stations are.

Here is an interesting thought: large events. About 250K people attend the Indy 500 every year. If we convert to all EV's, and that number requires 100K EV's to travel for that event, and those 100K EV's all need charged once and only once for this event, and the average battery recharge is 65KWh (super conservative here), that's 6.5 GWh. Even if this load spread over a week, where will all that power come from?

As a contrast, 100K cars driving 300 miles at 25MPG is about 1.2 million gallons of gas. Spread over a week that's less than 1% of Indiana's normal gasoline consumption/capacity.
I never said they were everywhere. I was commenting that the other guy said it should be everywhere like gas stations and i said they're building more and more of them as time moves foward. There's no "halt" in this. There's more stations being built.

I don't worry about where the power is coming from. I care about if there's a SC station on public roads and if i'm able to charge at home. That's what everyone should be thinking.

If they're saying, "hmm should i get an EV or not yet?"

They should think, ok am i able to charge at home? Ok if not, how many SC stations nearby? If both don't check out, THAT PERSON isn't ready to get an EV.

But as time moves foward, more of these will pop up and they'll be around. Again it's hard to assess progress in real time.
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I strongly believe it will. It's hard to gauge the progress in real time.

It's like anything that requires significant change. If a person is trying to lose weight you can't see it day by day. Stop seeing that person for a whole year, then you'll see the difference.

I know people hate EV's and that's fine. If we give it a chance it can co-exist with ICE like it's happening now.

Idk why people can't like both.
Bro stop. Nobody hates EVís. Come on man enough. Just because people see all the practicality challenges they pose and point them out doesnít mean they hate them. I have told you I like Tesla even though I think his cars are ugly. I have showed you a couple of other electric vehicles I think are cool, including the Porsche Tycan.
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You mean the as-yet un-invented technology that this is all hinging on? The unobtanium battery? They have a guy working on that! He's about to have a breakthrough, any day now...
Iím just trying to be positive brother.

I really donít think electric vehicles will get past being a novelty for the foreseeable future. I just donít. And Iíve said before and Iíll say it again if you take governments involvement out of it, they would disappear all together other than probably Tesla, because those cars have never been about being green to begin with.
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      03-13-2023, 07:33 PM   #1635
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Bro stop. Nobody hates EV’s. Come on man enough. Just because people see all the practicality challenges they pose and point them out doesn’t mean they hate them. I have told you I like Tesla even though I think his cars are ugly. I have showed you a couple of other electric vehicles I think are cool, including the Porsche Tycan.

Has nothing to do with tesla. I said EV. Tesla is one car maker. But it's good to know that's the first car brand you think of when EV is mentioned

All the posts are just an indirect way of saying you hate EV. At least that's the way i see it.

At the end of the day, like i keep saying, it's going to happen. It might not be right, or it might be too early, i would agree. But it's going to happen. If it is indeed 2035 when this is all happening, it's not like all your ICE cars will magically disappear. It just means the clock ticks for that chapter to finally be done. Who knows what will happen after.

Will we get taxed per year given the number of miles driven in our ICE cars? Similar to a lease? Meaning pay x amount of dollars if you do 3k miles a year on your ICE? What will gas cost per gallon then?

We don't know any of this. Meaning we don't know how well, or not, EV will be by the time 2035 comes.

If it's working for many people now, we can only assume it'll get better over time since they're trying to transition into this globally.
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I never said they were everywhere.

Good, then we agree.
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And when there are no ICE left to rent, what will you road trip in then? LMAOOOO!
I already said i never road trip.

If i need to travel far there's always a plane. Hopefully they won't be EV airlines. That i would agree won't work LOL
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Good, then we agree.
Cool beans. There's still time left. 2035 is close but still far away.
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Cool beans. There's still time left. 2035 is close but still far away.
Bro why do you keep using that to antagonize people here? Thatís why I said you were trolling earlier in this thread. You have no idea whatís going to happen in 2035. Neither do I. Would you bet your future 2035 net worth right here and now that your prediction about EVís 2035 will come 100% true? Of course you wouldnít. Yet you seem to get some sort of enjoyment out of the hope that youíre continually bringing it up aggravates the living crap out of some here. Please know it doesnít aggravate me. I just kind of laugh about it. Iíve known my wife for 29 years and I have no idea what sheís going to do tomorrow but you know what the entire auto industry will look like 12 years from now. A US president once said that we would be completely out of fossil fuels by the year 2010. That president said that 50 years ago. See where Iím going?
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Dude it’s all fun and games. Relax.

I already said I found it funny to see you guys get riled up. It’s not a big deal. I’m a nobody to any of you here so just ignore it. There’s only a few people who feel the need to combat what I’m saying so it does look like it’s aggravating you. Others obviously read what I’m posting but they scroll right past or they already have me on ignore. It’s all in good fun.

I love ICE just as much as you. I’m waiting on my forever car in the c8 z06. You can’t get any more pure ice as that with the NA engine. So trust me I get what you’re saying. I just so happen to be a big fan of ev so that’s where I’m on both sides and not totally siding with you.
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A foldaway mini-bicycle should be a standard option on an EV so when you run out of charge with no charge posts in sight you can still cycle to your destination
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Turn those printers back on!
Turn those printers back on!
...Trading Places themed plug.

2.5B announced for new charge stations.
When asked how many, the answer was "We don't know".
Why not a range? 100? 1000? 10,000?
Nope. Nothing.


Sorry, but I immediately got a waft of books cooking. Same scent as the, now infamous, Cal High Speed rail.

Bankrupt a lemonade stand.
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Yeah, that totally makes sense with all the EVs I see on the road every day. Maybe they should put those on ICE vehicles too, since those are the ones I see broken down on the side of the road.
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And if you’re not smart enough to understand your range because you never plan or highly unorganized yeah I too would keep a foldable bicycle inside your ev.

That means all of you lol. Since that’s going to be the “future” lmaooooo
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Strawman argument.
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Well no shite and more power to them. Good grief EU, look at yourselves.

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2.5B announced for new charge stations.
When asked how many, the answer was "We don't know".
Why not a range? 100? 1000? 10,000?
Nope. Nothing.


Sorry, but I immediately got a waft of books cooking. Same scent as the, now infamous, Cal High Speed rail.

Bankrupt a lemonade stand.
Whenever something is funded, it's always better to keep things vague from the person benefiting standpoint... so then when the money is spent, they don't have to compare to an initial plan lol.

It's identical to the 3G / 4G / 5G transitions with cell phones... it's nothing more than a marketing ploy without actual standards developed that quantify MINIMUM speeds. Most people on the street will never see the benefit of true 5G and will have speeds comparable to 4G... but at&t is kept safe this way because no one can come back to them with minimal speed issues.
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I'm on 5G and it's basically crap. Reloading a wifi signal, because it drops often, is so reeeediculous.

My point re charging stations involved how much glub-glub I hear whenever the green church speaks. Good grief people, look at their track records.
I'm all for increasing availability to charge but I Don't Know as an answer for 2500 millions is laughable.

No real plan.
No real data.
No time-line.
No bueno.

Mow Rons.
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I'm on 5G and it's basically crap. Reloading a wifi signal, because it drops often, is so reeeediculous.

My point re charging stations involved how much glub-glub I hear whenever the green church speaks. Good grief people, look at their track records.
I'm all for increasing availability to charge but I Don't Know as an answer for 2500 millions is laughable.

No real plan.
No real data.
No time-line.
No bueno.

Mow Rons.
5G wasn't meant to have mass commercial appeal, it was just sold that way to make $.

It's largest consumer benefit is Mm wave technology that only works in very dense areas and you are very close to the tower. Even then it's supremely unreliable... nevertheless, the dream was sold and a lot of companies made $.

EVs are right now being sold in a similar fashion
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5G wasn't meant to have mass commercial appeal, it was just sold that way to make $.

It's largest consumer benefit is Mm wave technology that only works in very dense areas and you are very close to the tower. Even then it's supremely unreliable... nevertheless, the dream was sold and a lot of companies made $.

EVs are right now being sold in a similar fashion
I'm still wondering when we will start watering our crops with "Brawndo", because brawndo has what plants crave.
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