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      03-05-2023, 09:47 AM   #1475
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And you just proved his point that you know you aggravate multiple members here knowingly and willingly, and that you do it for fun.
Kinda not really.

Is it trolling when you guys do it purposely because you know the few pro ev guys will be reading? Itís clear as day. But im not quoting every single one of you, that would be the aggravation he was talking about.

But when I say something pro ev, heís on it on every post lol. Thatís all Iím saying.

Honestly I donít even care if it is 2035 or 2040 or 2050. Just know itís coming and thereís nothing you guys can do about it. I just like saying 2035 because thatís the original plan.


So yeah 2035 here we come!
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      03-05-2023, 09:52 AM   #1476
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Kinda not really.

Is it trolling when you guys do it purposely because you know the few pro ev guys will be reading? Itís clear as day. But im not quoting every single one of you, that would be the aggravation he was talking about.

But when I say something pro ev, heís on it on every post lol. Thatís all Iím saying.

Honestly I donít even care if it is 2035 or 2040 or 2050. Just know itís coming and thereís nothing you guys can do about it. I just like saying 2035 because thatís the original plan.


So yeah 2035 here we come!
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      03-05-2023, 11:07 AM   #1477
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Still disagree but yeah lol
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Kinda not really.

Is it trolling when you guys do it purposely because you know the few pro ev guys will be reading? Itís clear as day. But im not quoting every single one of you, that would be the aggravation he was talking about.

But when I say something pro ev, heís on it on every post lol. Thatís all Iím saying.

Honestly I donít even care if it is 2035 or 2040 or 2050. Just know itís coming and thereís nothing you guys can do about it. I just like saying 2035 because thatís the original plan.


So yeah 2035 here we come!
All's well that ends well eh BGM, bye bye EV by 2035
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      03-05-2023, 12:00 PM   #1479
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And you just proved his point that you know you aggravate multiple members here knowingly and willingly, and that you do it for fun.
He is the first user I've ever set to ignore in 20 years of using online forums.
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      03-05-2023, 04:27 PM   #1481
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He is the first user I've ever set to ignore in 20 years of using online forums.
Good. Less whining. Please others do the same! Lmao
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      03-05-2023, 06:21 PM   #1483
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Finally someone with a sense of humor here.
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Amazing..he's gone, just set your dials guys.
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Okay then, this synthetic fuel that Germany is going to delve into more is interesting but they could have put a better case to the eu bods that hits it on the nail more in that working and middle class people simply won't be able to afford EV's.
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... that working and middle class people simply won't be able to afford EV's.
We all know the working and middle class don't need personal transportation, only the elite can have a personal car now, you know the kind BGM is, where have you been /sarcasm

Us middle class plebs just have to walk or eat your children, like the middle ages?
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      03-06-2023, 08:56 AM   #1487
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You guys are terrible at debates.

They’re going to have “affordable” ev’s on the way. Hence the whole “electrifying America” by 2035.

You guys keep judging todays results. We all know the automotive industry moves very fast, just like electronics, cell phones, computers etc. you’ll never have the latest one.

So which facet of this transition are you guys really whining about?

Cost to buy? Cost to own? Charging? Electrical fires?

All I hear is constant whining. If you don’t want an ev don’t get one. You’re not stopping what they’re doing so what is the point to the whining?
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You guys are terrible at debates.

Theyíre going to have ďaffordableĒ evís on the way. Hence the whole ďelectrifying AmericaĒ by 2035.

You guys keep judging todays results. We all know the automotive industry moves very fast, just like electronics, cell phones, computers etc. youíll never have the latest one.

So which facet of this transition are you guys really whining about?

Cost to buy? Cost to own? Charging? Electrical fires?

All I hear is constant whining. If you donít want an ev donít get one. Youíre not stopping what theyíre doing so what is the point to the whining?
The reality is that a great many replies to your posts have been very sound arguments with respect to the viability of government mandates to illuminate the production of ICE at some point in the near future. This is a car forum and it would be expected that issues like this would be debated as there are differing views, but also lots of people with experience that bring up real challenges to these hard deadlines.

The fact that you Troll is your choice, your need to use abusive and insulting language towards those with a different view is unwarranted. You're quite the keyboard warrior, and I suspect you don't have the confidence to talk to folks like that in person.
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      03-06-2023, 10:39 AM   #1489
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The reality is that a great many replies to your posts have been very sound arguments with respect to the viability of government mandates to illuminate the production of ICE at some point in the near future. This is a car forum and it would be expected that issues like this would be debated as there are differing views, but also lots of people with experience that bring up real challenges to these hard deadlines.

The fact that you Troll is your choice, your need to use abusive and insulting language towards those with a different view is unwarranted. You're quite the keyboard warrior, and I suspect you don't have the confidence to talk to folks like that in person.

You guys arenít debating in most cases, look at some of the subjects regarding ev. Youíre anti ev so you refuse to see it. You take defense when someone throws back at you. At least accept that.

I donít take defense when I see what you guys post unless itís wrong information. When you guys mock the subject or myself, I fight back.

And youíre wrong. The way I talk and act on this forum is exactly how I am in real life.

Because like you said there are many keyboard warriors. People say one thing but in real life donít say shit. And I witnessed that first hand. A guy talking so much shit about me, then I show up to the meet and he stood far away and never made eye contact with me. And Iím not even a big guy. I just have confidence. You guys should learn how to gain some of that yourselves.
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Good times here.

Whats interesting is folks actually think we will be ready to drop ICE in 2035. Or that we actual will. Maybe some other tech may create another paradigm shift and ecars all of a sudden suck (doubtful, but still out there...). Who knows.

But, mark my words. We won't be ready. It isn't going to happen. And everyone knows it (even the ones supporting it). We simply don't have a mindset in this world or care about this planet enough as proven over and over here in the comments. We prefer to argue our way into a black hole instead.

See ya in 12 years to gloat...
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      03-06-2023, 11:48 AM   #1491
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There will still be a used market filled with ice in 2035. Wow everyone is misunderstanding this.

Have fun in 2035 guys!
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Lol. Okay debate this.

On numerous threads it has been shown that EV battery cost ($/kWh) has come down the cost curve to around $130 per kWh and the cost has basically flattened out (i.e. reached its lowest price). That's for lithium ion and it took about 15 years to get down the curve. Battery energy density has not greatly improved over that time, just the cost to manufacture has dropped. Given the mass market acceptance of EV is keyed on (a) reducing range anxiety, and (b) lowering recharge rates, the lithium ion battery has plateau'd where there will be not much gain in recharge speed or range. To get more range requires larger batteries, which requires longer recharge time, more weight, and more cost. Physics and chemistry limit battery performance and cost. As more lithium is extracted, the unit price for the minerals increases, driving lithium ion cost back up the curve.

So, the solution to range and recharge rates is a new battery technology, which for now and for the past 10 years is the magical solid state battery. It's just on the horizon so we've been promised. Yet to expect solid state batteries cost per kWh to start where lithium ends ($130) and then drop significalty is not sound reasoning based on the economics of manufacturing. Which means we are in for another 15 years for solid state batteries to come down the manufacturing cost curve.

So, to summarize, what all those words mean is the cost to manufacture EV batteries is not going to drop much by 2035 AND offer better range and faster recharge rates. That means EV retail prices are not going to change much where the consumer decides switching from ICE to EV is beneficial to them. All of this is understood and evidenced by forcing the switch via legislation.

Your counter argument with specific science and economics based reasoning?

That’s all and well and you actually made good points but think about it this way. If what you’re saying is an immediate problem, what do you think is their “plan b” when 2035 comes?

This technology will only advance faster with each year that passes. If it took one technological advancement to happen in 15 years, the next would be half that time. Look at how far medicine has come. If easy -e was alive today, he’d be able to live until 90.


Tesla is already making a “25k” ev. When will it be out that’s a different story. Elon promised the ev semi in 2017 and it came out in 2022? So 5 years later.

Kia, Hyundai, Honda are all on board with making ev. You’re assuming they’re all gonna be 50-60k+? They won’t be.

Are you talking about long term past warranty? That remains a mystery.

I feel like car makers would want their customers to buy and dump cars after 100k, recycle what you got and get something new.

Again is it right? Who knows. Is it safe? Who knows. That’s not the point. Or certainly not my point.

I’m arguing that this is happening no matter how you dissect it. If you’re challenging this theory by fear, I have no words for you. Don’t buy one.

You can only control what YOU can control.
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There will still be a used market filled with ice in 2035. Wow everyone is misunderstanding this.

Have fun in 2035 guys!
Where is your Plaid you had reserved since last year? Delivery wait is now less than month from order date.

Not adding up?
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Where is your Plaid you had reserved since last year? Delivery wait is now less than month from order date.

Not adding up?
I put my deposit and Iím waiting. I want the c8z first.

Call them up for me and ask them whatís going on. I dont need to lie about the cars I have ďon orderĒ if thatís what youíre implying. I donít need to lie to impress fucking dudes a bmw forum.
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Many people don't want an ev now. Talking about it as 'fear' isn't accurate. I've test driven the y and s and travelled 1000s of miles in a mates model s. Doesn't make me want one/Doesn't appeal to me or my use case. Currently I have free choice to say no and buy what I want
By repeatedly talking about 2035 we are reminded of that free choice ending and that's where the problem lies. EVs need government mandates and subsidies etc to move ahead. Its an agenda that probably most folk on the street think is a pie in the sky.
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Not one word I typed had anything to do with "fear". I simply asked you to address how the cost, range, and recharge performance of EV is going change so there is mass market acceptance of the vehicles. I even gave you a path to have the debate. You failed miserably; all you provided is supposition, irrelevant tangent comments, and pointless comments.
Failed miserably at what? Where did I say you were wrong, if you are in fact wrong, anywhere in that post?

I never argued anyone about cost, whatís better for the planet environment. Iím talking about how automotive history advances. Iím talking about what you can do when 2035 happens. Iím talking about accepting whatís to come since you canít do anything about whatís about to happen.

Youíre talking this shit as if the government is reading going on shit that guy is right. Ev is not ready. Letís go back to ice.

So yeah I guess all the whining was real. Whining and fucking bitching.
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