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      09-09-2022, 10:50 AM   #111
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Williams no, it would be too long before Porsche would get any success they would want. McLaren maybe but that would mean two OEM/manufacturers which probably would be a no go.

This would apply go Porsche/Audi but you'd figure under the same parent company, there could be some compromise and everyone wins - VW, Audi, Porsche could all look like superstars while potentially sticking it to Mercedes while having operations solely on German soil.
They have a really weird structure there. Porsche does their own thing for the most part.

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VAG owns Porsche and Audi

I don't ever recall them joining forces in other racing series (maybe they have but I don't think so).
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I really donít get Horners comments on why the talks failed. Or I donít get why Porsche and RB were talking at all if Hornerís comments are accurate. If they are moving ahead with their own factory/engine development regardless of what happened with Porsche, then why look to partner with them in the first place? Especially his comments about RB F1 being the biggest marketing tool for Red Bull. Did they not think theyíd have to re do their entire livery with a prominent Porsche logo theme along with RB? A lot of really odd things going on and it didnít seem like the best matchup for this to work out from the very beginning.
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      09-10-2022, 12:50 PM   #113
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I really donít get Horners comments on why the talks failed. Or I donít get why Porsche and RB were talking at all if Hornerís comments are accurate. If they are moving ahead with their own factory/engine development regardless of what happened with Porsche, then why look to partner with them in the first place? Especially his comments about RB F1 being the biggest marketing tool for Red Bull. Did they not think theyíd have to re do their entire livery with a prominent Porsche logo theme along with RB? A lot of really odd things going on and it didnít seem like the best matchup for this to work out from the very beginning.
They probably can't get into the knitty and gritty of it but all we know so far is there would be a power struggle. Some speculation about the way Porsche runs their other teams and how they'd try to influence RB to work that way, at least the PU department, and RB refuses to.
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      09-10-2022, 02:18 PM   #114
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I really don’t get Horners comments on why the talks failed. Or I don’t get why Porsche and RB were talking at all if Horner’s comments are accurate. If they are moving ahead with their own factory/engine development regardless of what happened with Porsche, then why look to partner with them in the first place? Especially his comments about RB F1 being the biggest marketing tool for Red Bull. Did they not think they’d have to re do their entire livery with a prominent Porsche logo theme along with RB? A lot of really odd things going on and it didn’t seem like the best matchup for this to work out from the very beginning.
It made sense in that Red Bull still needed a PU for 2026 and with Porsche already tinkering with engines using alternative fuels. Red Bull would have some advantage with partnering with Porsche.

What didn't make sense was the reported 50/50 share of Red Bull Powertrains. Red Bull was already planning on going ahead with their own R&D and life after Honda so why would they give up 50% of that operation they worked hard to get even if it was Porsche? If Red Bull was a mid-tier, sure, but they're at the top of F1. But Red Bull was likely willing to give that up, but they were likely not interested in giving a Porsche any more outside of the Powertrains operation.
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      09-14-2022, 04:38 PM   #115
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I partially am glad Porsche didn't go through with it.

Did kinda start following F1 this year, mainly because of the chance that Porsche may join F1. I knew it was going to be a fat chance that BMW ever did so again. As I learned a bit more about F1 and all of that, I also grew to despise how toxic the F1 fans are and I come from the gaming community, we're known to be entitled. F1 fans are worse. Every week, almost EVERY week this year from what I can tell, is someone throwing up another theory on why this happened and all of that. It is already so tiring to see that I stopped paying attention already.

I don't think Porsche needs that kind of attention, nor do they really require it. I have seen some say F1 doesn't need Porsche but it is very much the other way around. F1 feels so stagnant to me and my casual eyes that not having more OEMs join is a detriment to them and not to anyone else. Think about it, do you think Benz needs F1? Benz & Honda are such big companies this is just a playground for them. Audi joining is a good thing but Audi doesn't have the following Porsche does. Audi is pretty much VW's forgotten middle child.

F1 needs more than Audi. Maybe if Honda returns, which they seems to be going back and forth on. Andretti as well if the "elites" of F1 stop being a bunch of idiots with rich kids syndrome.

That said though Porsche was definitely asking for a bit much from RBR. That doesn't really surprise me though considering it is Porsche and they always do things their way. It just... comes with the territory and being associated with Porsche.
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Would be sick if they announce Honda at Suzuka with the gorgeous white Honda livery.
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      09-14-2022, 06:16 PM   #117
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Would be sick if they announce Honda at Suzuka with the gorgeous white Honda livery.
It is great pleasure for Honda to be named as the title sponsor of the F1 Japanese Grand Prix to be held at the Suzuka Circuit which is celebrating its '60th anniversary this year,Ē said Honda communications operating executive Koji Watanabe.
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Horner now saying deal was never on and Porsche were chasing rainbows.
https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/13665...hemselves.html
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      09-16-2022, 05:25 PM   #119
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Helmut Marko claims that Red Bull is already attracting interest from manufacturers after the Porsche partnership came to an end ❌
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      10-26-2022, 08:05 AM   #120
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      10-26-2022, 08:44 AM   #121
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It's official boys,

Audi will be a works team in 2026, partnering with Sauber

Now for confirmation of Porsche Williams.
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It's official boys,

Audi will be a works team in 2026, partnering with Sauber

Now for confirmation of Porsche Williams.
Man, the Williams team is really going through it these last couple of years.

If this ends up happening, Porsche is likely going to ask for a large chunk like they did with Red Bull and will probably be in better position to do so because of what brand power they bring especially to a team like Williams which are always finding ways to survive.
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Audi already has a head start with the 2026 engine. Essentially just bought/took over Sauber. Some parallels to a certain team.
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Audi already has a head start with the 2026 engine. Essentially just bought/took over Sauber. Some parallels to a certain team.
At least Audi can rest easy knowing that no one will remember - just like with Merc.
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