[Artemis]

Originally Posted by kyrix1st

I think 1&2 series models are still offered with Magna DCT (which is admittedly different from longitudinally mounted M2s).. I suspect that if M4 CS and special models are to get DCT, and they should, I wouldn't write them off just yet... unless M doesn't give a shit about their existing customer base who like the characteristic of M-DCT just like PDK which has a huge following.

If you still want to order a BMW featuring M-DCT:

• EURO spec BMW M cars: sorry, BMW does no longer build a car with M-DCT; production of the M2C and M2 CS (last cars featuring M-DCT as option) has ended in the meantime and the recently shown Birch Green M2 CS was the ultimate EURO spec F87 ever built (and it features M-DCT);
• US spec BMW M cars: M2 CS production ends this year - M2C production ends in June 2021;
• after June 2021: F87 and M-DCT both become history; if you still want one after June 2021, you got to check existing cars or order the parts separately for replacement/repair purposes.

Sorry to rain on your parade. It is what it is: F87 model, S55 engine and M-DCT gearbox will all be dusted and done by July 2021. All things end someday - die with memories, not dreams.

[JustChris]

When is the entry 2 series in general out? Is it next year?

[jb001]

I hope they make the fuelcap door a round one, like F87 model

[BMWGirlFL]

Originally Posted by JustChris

When is the entry 2 series in general out? Is it next year?

Yes, next gen expected to start production in July.

[Karmic Man]

Looking promising...M2 need big wide fenders to make us scream 'WTF...I WANT that!"

The front fenders are good...1M style...rear fenders have room to bulge even more

With current RS4 and A45 running such strong engines and the upcoming Nissan 400Z, WRX STi, Civic Type R all in the 400hp region , the G87 M2 does need around 450hp to be in the game

[MadBimmeRad]

Originally Posted by Artemis

die with memories, not dreams.

Such wisdom is rare

[BMWGirlFL]

[CCM11285]

This!

[mr_lab_rat]

Originally Posted by BMWGirlFL

That looks like fairly low effort photoshop. We already know the headlights will be significantly smaller and the grille bigger. I'm expecting the front end to look more like the Z4 rather than F40/F44.

[mr_lab_rat]

Originally Posted by BMWGirlFL

I hope it's just the angle and camo making the hood profile and front overhang looking weird. In this picture it looks like the grille would be sticking out very far forward.

[Al Bundy's Dodge]

Originally Posted by Karmic Man

Looking promising...M2 need big wide fenders to make us scream 'WTF...I WANT that!"

The front fenders are good...1M style...rear fenders have room to bulge even more

With current RS4 and A45 running such strong engines and the upcoming Nissan 400Z, WRX STi, Civic Type R all in the 400hp region , the G87 M2 does need around 450hp to be in the game

Disagree on the horsepower...my OG is at 365 and is a freakin blast to drive. Personally I don't think these cars need more horsepower, nor do I want that to be the focus of the G87.

I want the focus to continue to be in driving dynamics...and for crying out loud, improved steering!

I'd be good with a small bump in HP to like 415. Just make this thing awesome to drive with a good sounding exhaust. And maybe a better sounding HK stereo.

Edit: and good call out above. I noticed that front overhang as well and do not like. makes me wonder how planted the vehicle could feel with such a short wheel base relative to the body length

[kyrix1st]

Originally Posted by Artemis

If you still want to order a BMW featuring M-DCT:

• EURO spec BMW M cars: sorry, BMW does no longer build a car with M-DCT; production of the M2C and M2 CS (last cars featuring M-DCT as option) has ended in the meantime and the recently shown Birch Green M2 CS was the ultimate EURO spec F87 ever built (and it features M-DCT);
• US spec BMW M cars: M2 CS production ends this year - M2C production ends in June 2021;
• after June 2021: F87 and M-DCT both become history; if you still want one after June 2021, you got to check existing cars or order the parts separately for replacement/repair purposes.

Sorry to rain on your parade. It is what it is: F87 model, S55 engine and M-DCT gearbox will all be dusted and done by July 2021. All things end someday - die with memories, not dreams.

Well, it's a damn shame M decided to go out of ICE era with a neutered transmission.

[Penguino]

Watch this car sell twice as much than an M4.

[bartginger]

Front-end overhang is getting huge. Looks like it's front-wheel drive from the side profile. What happened?

[Game]

Originally Posted by swc5150

Agreed, very excited for this car! I've been on the fence about getting an M2C, but I think this may be worth waiting for?

Same boat as you. I'd love an M2C...but this car may be worth the wait.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by jb001

I hope they make the fuelcap door a round one, like F87 model

G87 M2 will feature the round fuel door cap.

[EXE46]

Originally Posted by Germanauto

How big do these cars really need to be. The 2-series is a comfortable enough size, it doesn't feel tight like a Cayman from inside. Why make it larger?

I agree, nobody is asking for a larger car. F30 size was fine but look at the G20, it's now a midsize car. This car took me awhile to adjust to from the sheer size. It's the largest car I have ever owned and don't really care for anything bigger. They keep moving them up one size for no reason.

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by EXE46

I agree, nobody is asking for a larger car. F30 size was fine but look at the G20, it's now a midsize car. This car took me awhile to adjust to from the sheer size. It's the largest car I have ever owned and don't really care for anything bigger. They keep moving them up one size for no reason.

Not to mention the roads aren't getting any bigger, especially in Europe.

[akkando]

Originally Posted by Al Bundy's Dodge

Disagree on the horsepower...my OG is at 365 and is a freakin blast to drive. Personally I don't think these cars need more horsepower, nor do I want that to be the focus of the G87.

I want the focus to continue to be in driving dynamics...and for crying out loud, improved steering!

I'd be good with a small bump in HP to like 415. Just make this thing awesome to drive with a good sounding exhaust. And maybe a better sounding HK stereo.

Edit: and good call out above. I noticed that front overhang as well and do not like. makes me wonder how planted the vehicle could feel with such a short wheel base relative to the body length

It's probably going to be like 300-400 pounds more than the m2c, 10 hp isn't going to be enough. BMW has to pick a power figure that competes with competition but doesn't step on the M3 (maybe they won't care about the lower spec rwd MT g80 though)

Or they could shift focus to light weight, steering and chassis feel, and not compete on numbers but we know that's not going to happen.

[Bemo]

Reduce weight
Increase engine displacement, NA preferred.
Return to classic styling
Carbon fiber roof please
Reintroduce hydraulic steering or learn from Porsche.
A classic hood line that connects with the hopefully normal-sized kidney grills.

Charge me good, I'm game.

/rant

[rkmjr]

Originally Posted by phantom7835

Only weak drivers need xdrive

Here we go again, the xDrive haters!

[rkmjr]

Originally Posted by frankiebones

Rear end of the outgoing F87 is horrible. They really made the front beautiful with the M2C but I could never get used to the rear of the old 2 series with those vertical reflectors.

For me, I'll stick with my incoming G80 to have 4 doors and a manual but, if the G87 ends up being the last 6MT BMW ever makes, I will buy one and keep it forever (or until they outlaw gasoline sales).

Personally, I love the F87 rear end. Each and to their own.