2020-202x Toyota Supra

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by duder13

Current 135i owner here. It doesn't handle all that well stock. I was coming from a Cayman, which is about as good as it gets, and the 135i stock felt bouncy and squishy. Spend a few thousand in M3 and other suspension parts, though, and the 135i becomes fantastic. Spend more on an LSD and tuning stuff, and I'd probably take it over any other modern era BMW.

As far as the Supra goes, it's a fine performing car, but I don't like the style, I don't like that it's basically a BMW underneath, and I don't like that it doesn't have a manual. I'd rather have a used M2 with a stick, and it's much more practical to boot.

Former 135i owner, current M2C owner here...

A stock 135i in terms of handling is borderline trash, its suspension is designed on a bouncy damper that is made to fit Runflats... go drive the car after you replace the tires to a good tire like an Mpss. Your car will bounce and sway side to side like a trampoline... however; a 135i with proper rear toe arms (preferably steel bushing), nice coilovers and all subframe bushings replaced will drive very nicely... albeit it will feel very rough and still be super unreliable due to the N54... the M2 fixes all of that with a better, more modern balance and actual good looks. I could not see myself in a car of the 1 series class again... the regular M235i was such a solid upgrade in terms of an overall better car not even to mention an M2C.

[gatorfast]

I wonder if they are actually changing the engine tune or simply bumping the hp figures on paper to match reality. By all accounts, the initially 335hp version seemed to be vastly underrated and more in line with the 380hp in the z4. That blue color looks nice though. But if they really want to start moving these things then a manual option is needed.

[heavyD^2]

Originally Posted by gatorfast

I wonder if they are actually changing the engine tune or simply bumping the hp figures on paper to match reality. By all accounts, the initially 335hp version seemed to be vastly underrated and more in line with the 380hp in the z4. That blue color looks nice though. But if they really want to start moving these things then a manual option is needed.

I can't see it. It would be egg on their face to advertise a 45hp bump and have identical straight line performance. The announced 382 hp is exactly the same as the version used in the M340i, X3 M40i, etc.

[NickyC]

I can't believe I still haven't seen a single one of these on the road yet. I've been driving around Miami a ton too over the past month to explore new home/surroundings. Seen just about everything you could imagine, but like back in STL not a single Supra. I've seen very few new Z4s as well, maybe three in total.

I like that blue color, very nice.

[freakystyly]

This was taken in my town back in August, probably one of the only ones outside of Toronto at the time. Haven't seen one since.

They kind of fly under the radar in a darker colour.

[Alfisti]

Why would you buy a car like that in grey...like really. It's like 99% of 911's between 06 and 2015 are grey or black.

[FuriouslyFast]

Originally Posted by Red Bread

I don't think they're going to take 50% of the cylinders out and then charge more.

Not what I said

[Red Bread]

Originally Posted by FuriouslyFast

Not what I said

Okay. I'm sure they'll add 15% more power and charge less.

[JasonCSU]

Originally Posted by FuriouslyFast

The current car is overpriced. Lower it all. It's a $30k car IMO

The 370Z is a $30k car.

[hellrotm]

Seeing 10+% off on new car Autotrader listings.

[modthispny]

again BMW/Toyota screwing the early adopters. SMH!

I get with a tune you can get the 2021 power and even more, but some owners just want to drive the car worry free without having to mod. :/

[duder13]

Originally Posted by ASAP

Former 135i owner, current M2C owner here...

A stock 135i in terms of handling is borderline trash, its suspension is designed on a bouncy damper that is made to fit Runflats... go drive the car after you replace the tires to a good tire like an Mpss. Your car will bounce and sway side to side like a trampoline... however; a 135i with proper rear toe arms (preferably steel bushing), nice coilovers and all subframe bushings replaced will drive very nicely... albeit it will feel very rough and still be super unreliable due to the N54... the M2 fixes all of that with a better, more modern balance and actual good looks. I could not see myself in a car of the 1 series class again... the regular M235i was such a solid upgrade in terms of an overall better car not even to mention an M2C.

I don’t know. My 135i (n55 version) with all new suspension arms, bushings, shocks/springs, camber plates, wheels/tires, sway bars, LSD, strut bar, etc. (not to mention the engine mods and custom tune) is way more fun than the M2. Now, it’s likely just down to the smaller size and much better steering feel, but I wouldn’t trade it for the M2 (haven’t driven the M2C, though.) Granted, we’re talking several thousand dollars in mods, so I’m not saying it’s a financially wise decision (unless maybe comparing to the 1M,) and I’d certainly take the M2C over any other current BMW.

The new Supra has an even shorter wheelbase, which is cool, but I’m skeptical about the steering, and no manual is a no-go for me.

[Salty Dog]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

Why would you buy a car like that in grey...like really. It's like 99% of 911's between 06 and 2015 are grey or black.

Maybe so it doesn't look like every other Supra

[Tacoma]

Originally Posted by gatorfast

I wonder if they are actually changing the engine tune or simply bumping the hp figures on paper to match reality. By all accounts, the initially 335hp version seemed to be vastly underrated and more in line with the 380hp in the z4. That blue color looks nice though. But if they really want to start moving these things then a manual option is needed.

According to Road and Track, the 2019 Supra has the B58B30C engine while the Z4 has the B38B30B engine. They have different cylinder heads, pistons, connecting rods and turbocharger among others.

So it's more than just a simple tune and the new Supra should be even faster than before, likely faster than the M2C. It should be interesting.

[gatorfast]

Originally Posted by NickyC

I can't believe I still haven't seen a single one of these on the road yet. I've been driving around Miami a ton too over the past month to explore new home/surroundings. Seen just about everything you could imagine, but like back in STL not a single Supra. I've seen very few new Z4s as well, maybe three in total.

I like that blue color, very nice.

Me too, have yet to see one in the flesh which is odd in SoFla considering you see everything down here. They obviously are not selling well.

[NickyC]

Originally Posted by gatorfast

Me too, have yet to see one in the flesh which is odd in SoFla considering you see everything down here. They obviously are not selling well.

I know it's nuts!

I tell you what though, give me one in that new blue color with the power bump AND a six speed manual at $45k brand new out the door and I might be interested!

[gatorfast]

Originally Posted by NickyC

I know it's nuts!

I tell you what though, give me one in that new blue color with the power bump AND a six speed manual at $45k brand new out the door and I might be interested!

Me too man. If it had a manual I would strongly consider one, especially at the ~$50k price point.

[FuriouslyFast]

Originally Posted by JasonCSU

The 370Z is a $30k car.

They still make that thing?

[Red Bread]

Originally Posted by FuriouslyFast

They still make that thing?

Ha, that was exactly what I thought.

[zx10guy]

Originally Posted by modthispny

again BMW/Toyota screwing the early adopters. SMH!

I get with a tune you can get the 2021 power and even more, but some owners just want to drive the car worry free without having to mod. :/

Reminds me of what happened with the previous generation Ducati Superbike. Ducati launched the 1098 to only launch the 1198 the next model year. To say the owners of the 1098 felt cheated was an understatement.

[zx10guy]

Originally Posted by gatorfast

Me too, have yet to see one in the flesh which is odd in SoFla considering you see everything down here. They obviously are not selling well.

My Toyota dealer currently has two in their inventory. One in the showroom and the other looks to be going through pre delivery inspection. One of the F&I guys bought the white launch edition that was allotted to the dealership.

I sat in the one on the showroom floor. Was very surprised how roomy it was for my 6'5" frame. The thing I noticed immediately was with the seat positioned properly for my long legs that the reach to the steering wheel was able to be adjusted perfectly. I'm not having to have my arms extended even with the steering wheel pulled out as far as it can go. I had the perfect arm bend in the Supra. Not sure if the head room would still be adequate with me in there with a helmet on.

[gatorfast]

And just like that I saw my first Supra in the wild today. It was a red one driving in the opposite direction as me. It looked pretty good, definitely would consider one.