F1 2021: Abu Dhabi GP - Yas Marina (Dec 12)

[minn19]

Originally Posted by Autobacs

I expected you to cover both sides as you self identify as an impartial observer. What will the Ham fans say if Max wins?

No matter who wins, I’ll move on with my life a couple of minutes afterward and check in here for the fun. Then look forward to the next drive to survive season and first race.

I’m just not that vested in sports. I still have friends that get legit depressed for a couple of days when the Vikings lose or inevitably don’t make the playoffs/get eliminated early if they do. I honestly don’t get how an adult can get that wrapped up in sports/racing etc to where it bothers them days or more after it’s over. Guess I’m old and boring.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by F87source

lol that would be crazy if both bottas and perez had engine failures.
But the only real way for mercedes to lose the construtors is if both mercedes finsihed outside of the points, or really low down in the standings.
But overall there is probably no way it will be crazier than saudi arabia, that race had me on the edge of my seat rewatching it.

No, not both Bottas and Perez DNF, but one of them being 'sacrificed' if the team mate risks to lose the world title. Taking one for the team.

Teams can remotely tinker with lots of engine settings. Sometimes you hear drivers asking for more power or complaining about some malfunctioning.

So an engine failure can be simulated by changing maximum settings to minimum settings. Of course it would be very unfair to pull the plug to provoke a Virtual Safety Car. But it's technically possible (just like a BMW going into limp mode: it's electronics). And, though morally reprehensive (abuse: sabotage the race to get an advantage), it's not as reckless as deliberately torpedoing a competitor (dive bombing with an unfortunate outcome: crash) or going kamikaze into a wall (remember Piquet jr. "Crashgate" of 2008 to give Alonso an advantage: see here). If foul play is involved and discovered, sanctions can be susbtantial for all those involved.

[F87source]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Teams can remotely tinker with lots of engine settings. Sometimes you hear drivers asking for more power or complaining about some malfunctioning.

So an engine failure can be simulated by changing max settings to min settings. Of course it would be very unfair to pull the plug to provoke a Virtual Safety Car. But it's technically possible. And not as dramatic and reckless as deliberately torpedoing a competitor or going kamikaze into a wall (remember Piquet jr. "Crashgate" of 2008 to give Alonso an advantage: see here).

Not anymore, no more engine mode changes to increase or decrease power levels after last year to combat mercedes and their party mode. So whatever engine setting you set in quali is what you get during the race, you can change to different strats and fuel ratios but peak power output is fixed now. Error correction is allowed to disable failing sensors via fault modes.

Also no engine manipulations are allowed by engineers, any changes to the car must be done via the driver through the steering wheel inputs. This is stipulated in the rules to prevent engineers from essentially driving the car. That's why hamilton failed the restart where he left brake magic on, because the engineers are not allowed to manually disable it and at certain points iirc a restart engineer advice to the drivers is not permitted as well so Bono couldn't remind lewis to turn off brake magic.

[Bubbles]

Not sure this thread is about F1 anymore, so my contribution to bring it back to center.

Circuit change highlights.

The new Abu Dhabi layout still maintains the characteristics of a 'rear limited' track but to a lesser extent. Slight advantage to RBR.

Average qualifying speed is expected to increase between 15 km/h and 20 km/h compared to 210 km/h of the 2020 pole.

AND

A surprise awaits the teams and Pirelli in Abu Dhabi. Following the renovations at Yas Marina, Losail-like kerbs were used. As Pirelli was not warned about this, there is a new uncertainty about the weekend.

Imagine if the punctures we saw in Qatar happens in Abu Dhabi to Max or Hammy.

[Bubbles]

F1 will miss this guy, the straight talking Fin.

[MilehighM3]

Originally Posted by Bubbles

F1 will miss this guy, the straight talking Fin.

I know I will. I've always loved watching Kimi race.

[Bubbles]

Punctures, would you bet on one stop with this cheese grader.

A surprise awaits the teams and Pirelli in Abu Dhabi. Following the renovations at Yas Marina, Losail-like kerbs were used. As Pirelli was not warned about this, there is a new uncertainty about the weekend.

[F87source]

Originally Posted by Bubbles

Punctures, would you bet on one stop with this cheese grader.

A surprise awaits the teams and Pirelli in Abu Dhabi. Following the renovations at Yas Marina, Losail-like kerbs were used. As Pirelli was not warned about this, there is a new uncertainty about the weekend.

Why do tracks make these kind of curbs like man that looks like it will eat up the tires and break front wings. Same thing with sausage curbs.

[toned]

Originally Posted by irunalot

I'm an uber Hamilton fan and have been since he was in GP2, but I'm also realistic and don't think he’s a saint that walks on water. I also follow other drivers and teams as well as I love the sport as a whole. I had a lot of admiration for Max and his talent, but his lack of respect for others has caused me to lose nearly all respect for him as a driver. That goes double for Horner, Marko, and Red Bull. They act like children; everything is always someone else's fault, or someone is cheating. They are the worst type of losers and the worst type of winners. If they win so, be it, congratulations to them and let’s do it again in March.

well said

[Autobacs]

Originally Posted by minn19

No matter who wins, I’ll move on with my life a couple of minutes afterward and check in here for the fun. Then look forward to the next drive to survive season and first race.

I’m just not that vested in sports. I still have friends that get legit depressed for a couple of days when the Vikings lose or inevitably don’t make the playoffs/get eliminated early if they do. I honestly don’t get how an adult can get that wrapped up in sports/racing etc to where it bothers them days or more after it’s over. Guess I’m old and boring.

Agree and same here!

[Bubbles]

Originally Posted by F87source

Why do tracks make these kind of curbs like man that looks like it will eat up the tires and break front wings. Same thing with sausage curbs.

Better than a wall I suppose.

[F87source]

Originally Posted by Bubbles

Better than a wall I suppose.

Yeah for sure...

a gravel trap is the best imo.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by F87source

Why do tracks make these kind of curbs like man that looks like it will eat up the tires and break front wings. Same thing with sausage curbs.

Actually, it's an appropriate way to remind drivers to use the track. I don't mind more grass and gravel pits next to the track limits. Less controversial discussions about track limits violations and gaining an advantage off-track.

[F87source]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Actually, it's an appropriate way to remind drivers to use the track. I don't mind more grass and gravel pits next to the track limits. Less controversial discussions about track limits violations and gaining an advantage off-track.

Yes, but I prefer a car to be beach in gravel rather than have its tires blow up and spin off out of control or have its wing broken off. Because technically you can ride the curb as long as all wheel don't pass the line.

So my preference is a smooth or mild curb followed with a gravel trap next to it with a bit of a gap so you can slightly ride the curb - but can't exceed it with all 4 wheels or you will enter the gravel trap.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by F87source

You said Mercedes had "jet speed" and were so much faster than everyone else. I posted the F1 speed trap tables completely debunking this. If that's not a good enough metric to get top speeds I don't know what is, but it beats watching the tv and "seeing" the top speeds with your eyes.


Next Rick accused Mercedes and the FIA of colluding to make the new rules benefit then for engine penalties. I cited the FIA sporting directives from 2017 and 2018 showing this was not a recent rule change. I also cited the source showing engine failures per team in 2017 before the new updated engine replacement grid penalty rules. This showed the Honda engine was the one that failed the most at nearly twice the rate of Mercedes. So if anything the rule changes were made to benefit Honda.


None of you guys provided any solid proof to back your statements up.

You need to get more sleep mate lol

[F87source]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

You need to get more sleep mate lol

lol, not totally wrong. Generally I get about 7-9 hours of sleep but lately it has been in the 7 hour range. Bit of work to do before the holidays.

[M5Rick]

^ What are you six hours behind that's 2am there and still up, rather you than me heheh

[F87source]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

^ What are you six hours behind that's 2am there and still up, rather you than me heheh

Something like that, but I prefer to work at night, it is more peaceful.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

I'll sent you MAX's damaged diffuser ASAP ! With the efficiency loss !
Wait ...What's your address ? At least do you have one ?

And I never saw 'once a solid concrete evidence from your side ..Just BS talk .
As I said you sound like an elephant in a china shop !

or the proverbial bull in china shop

[M5Rick]

Yeah right Masi warning Ham and Max and giving Max the penalties as you've demonstrated.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by GuidoK

Maybe a potential gamechanger:
Abu Dabi apparently has the same sharp kerbs as Qatar:
https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/10086...-are-back.html

So Pirelli declared after the race in Qatar that the many tyre blowouts were caused by the sharp kerbs on the losail circuit.

So the urge for fast laptimes might be part of a gamble: do I take the kerb or not?
Might give an interesting spin on the championchip

Voor u , ik vond dit best wel grappig ! => https://sporza.be/nl/2021/12/08/-als...1638987110003/

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by F87source

You said Mercedes had "jet speed" and were so much faster than everyone else. I posted the F1 speed trap tables completely debunking this. If that's not a good enough metric to get top speeds I don't know what is, but it beats watching the tv and "seeing" the top speeds with your eyes.


Next Rick accused Mercedes and the FIA of colluding to make the new rules benefit then for engine penalties. I cited the FIA sporting directives from 2017 and 2018 showing this was not a recent rule change. I also cited the source showing engine failures per team in 2017 before the new updated engine replacement grid penalty rules. This showed the Honda engine was the one that failed the most at nearly twice the rate of Mercedes. So if anything the rule changes were made to benefit Honda.


None of you guys provided any solid proof to back your statements up.

So, how is it possible that the Merc's are faster without DRS than the other cars with DRS ?
Because the Mercedes is too slow ?

Same mindblowing situation at Jeddah , BOT overtook a McLaren without DRS while the McLaren was running with DRS ...

Negative , I dind't said that Mercedes had Jet-Speed .
I said that the Merc's run in *Warp-Speed .

And of course the Ferrari's ran with the Jet-Mode with the strawberry smell...