Rethinking EV’s?

[Phillies8008]

Originally Posted by jaffles

I married into a staunch anti renewables family. I'm the tree hugging renewable lefty peg in a square traditionalist family. However one by one their addiction to money has seen then convert to renewables as it cheaper. The most vocal one who has been a federal politician and worked hard against renewables has gone the hardest and invested in making money from renewables. With the latest effort ditching the fossil fueled BMW for an EV Jag so he can trade its battery compacity from his home energy source.

The anti crowds marketing on range has sure taken seed. Most people do <100km (60 mile) a day so only need a small battery. But because the car can't do 450+ mile with a big heavy battery for the once a year trip the ol EV is junk. Imagine if people thought the ol ICE needed to be serviced once a year and for that it was heap of junk.

It's the same mindset that leads people to buy huge land yacht SUVs and trucks – they're convinced that they need to buy for a use-case that comes up once or twice a year, and only maybe at that. C'est la vie.

The stupidest thing in the world is that the type of fuel a vehicle uses was somehow turned into a stupid political issue. Such a waste.

[Phillies8008]

Originally Posted by ShocknAwe

I'm watching my robot lawn mower do its thing while drinking beer and listening to the birds do their reproductive dances right now.

Had one for about 5y or so. Remains my best purchase ever.

We call ours Robbie. Our kids no longer chase him so he can work in peace.

Once my biological robots are no longer at home, assuming that ever happens*, I'm all over one of those.

*I sound like I'm down on my kids for that, and that's the furthest thing from the truth. The economic landscape is miserable for this generation so I totally get it and want them to stay as long as they'd like. Honestly, I'm taking this as gifted time because I absolutely am dreading the day they really do leave, from a selfish perspective.

[afadeev]

Originally Posted by Phillies8008

The stupidest thing in the world is that the type of fuel a vehicle uses was somehow turned into a stupid political issue. Such a waste.

Way too many things have been twisted by political virtue signaling, courtesy of social media propaganda ecosystems.

Folks do the dumbest things to be "part of a team", or to get "approval" from the strangers on the internet ...

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P.S.: 2 EVs + 2 ICEs for my family. Not much to re-think there.

[Golddog]

No EV for me. I would consider a gas/hybrid though.

[Altamate]

Originally Posted by ShocknAwe

I'm watching my robot lawn mower do its thing while drinking beer and listening to the birds do their reproductive dances right now.

Had one for about 5y or so. Remains my best purchase ever.

We call ours Robbie. Our kids no longer chase him so he can work in peace.

My wife was a little miffed when she saw me sitting in a rocker lawn chair watching “Bob” for the first time. I had spent the prior day getting him set up and charged and she didn’t mind then, because I was working. But it’s been 4 years for us now and I’ve had to make a few adjustments along the way. But I’m with you, best $1200 I ever spent.

[Altamate]

Originally Posted by afadeev

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P.S.: 2 EVs + 2 ICEs for my family.

Hmmm….Seems like someone is trying too hard to get along with everybody.

[G30M]

Originally Posted by Golddog

No EV for me. I would consider a gas/hybrid though.

i hate hybrids. i tested a few - underpowered electric motor, undersized battery, underpowered ICE, slow, doesn't save much fuel.
there was one PHEV that was amazing - BMW X5 50e or something like that. but the battery is going to have many cycles very quickly. every charge cycle (one cycle = 1 full charge, 4x 1/4 charges, etc) degrades the battery. so i didn't buy it. by the time warranty is over it becomes a non plug in hybrid because it doesn't hold charge.

but that's me.

[G30M]

Originally Posted by Altamate

Hmmm….Seems like someone is trying too hard to get along with everybody.

i have 3 EVs, a V6 and a V8 both pure ICEs, not even mild hybrid. each one has a purpose! no hybrids.

[Altamate]

Originally Posted by G30M

i have 3 EVs, a V6 and a V8 both pure ICEs, not even mild hybrid. each one has a purpose! no hybrids.

Both of you need to pick a side in this conflict, none of this straddling the middle garbage, this is war.

[G30M]

Originally Posted by Altamate

Both of you need to pick a side in this conflict, none of this straddling the middle garbage, this is war.

i want a F90 M5 CS

[Phillies8008]

Originally Posted by Altamate

Both of you need to pick a side in this conflict, none of this straddling the middle garbage, this is war.

I'm another one of those milquetoast fence straddlers, lol. Our household has two EVs, one PHEV, one hybrid, and two ICE. We're Switzerland!

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by Emily172013

Hell, I'm thinking even an electric lawnmower is't a bad idea. It takes a couple bucks in gas to mow the lawn now. LOL.

Well, I have 5 acres to mow, so I use a gas zero-turn. But for a few parts, I use a push mower. A few years back, just for fun, I went with a Snapper (bundle). The mower works great, quiet when cutting the grass, good to keep the noise down while my wife hangs out on the porch in the swing-bed I built for her.

All good until the battery died. OE 2.0 amp-hour replacement batteries are $150. Even at $4/gal that's 37 gallons of gasoline, which is probably 20 years' worth of gas for my use case.

[afadeev]

Originally Posted by Altamate

Hmmm….Seems like someone is trying too hard to get along with everybody.

Yep - with myself!

Best of all worlds:
1). ///M3 for track and fun drives.
2). Odyssey for long-hauling ski and/or surfing gear.
3). 2 EVs for instant torque yet economical (5:1 per mile cost advantage over ICE) daily commutes.

Originally Posted by G30M

each one has a purpose! no hybrids.

Yep: hybrids == maximum cost and complexity for minimum gain. Hard pass.

Originally Posted by Altamate

Both of you need to pick a side in this conflict, none of this straddling the middle garbage, this is war.

YMMV,
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[m3bs]

There was an article in the WSJ today about EV ownership experience. It was generally positive, but one thing jumped out at me. They said EVs had 80% more reliability issues than ICE vehicles, based on a CR survey. It didn’t say whether the issues were mechanical, electrical, or software related.

[freakystyly]

Originally Posted by m3bs

There was an article in the WSJ today about EV ownership experience. It was generally positive, but one thing jumped out at me. They said EVs had 80% more reliability issues than ICE vehicles, based on a CR survey. It didn’t say whether the issues were mechanical, electrical, or software related.

They're a whole new generation of models with bugs to work out. Like buying the first run of a new generation of any car but worse... Throw in more and more stupid gadgets and that room for error increases.

[Turbanator]

Originally Posted by m3bs

There was an article in the WSJ today about EV ownership experience. It was generally positive, but one thing jumped out at me. They said EVs had 80% more reliability issues than ICE vehicles, based on a CR survey. It didn’t say whether the issues were mechanical, electrical, or software related.

CR issues are extremely questionable. Your engine fails? That's a reliability issue. You don't know how to change your fan vents because they're in the touch screen? That's a reliability issue. Your phone got an update and now Android Auto lags even though nothing about your car changed? That's a reliability issue.

I'm sure there are genuine issues, especially SW-related, with EVs that should be addressed, but it's very hard to use CR for anything remotely reputable.

[jphcbpa]

I have a phev that I love and wife has v8. Level 2 charger at home, have a short commute to work and use full electric mode 90% of the time. I would move to an extended range EV if the right combination came along or when BEV ranges hit 600 mile capability. Probably will change out the v8 in the next few years and might go BEV. She loves the m550i but also gets tired of trips to the gas station when she sees that I fill up only a few times per year (road trips) with the phev.

[Phillies8008]

Originally Posted by jphcbpa

...or when BEV ranges hit 600 mile capability.

I think that's kind of a big ask considering where we're at today. Most ICE vehicles don't even have that kind of range.

[Car-Addicted]

As long as I don't have to pay for your EV I think everyone should have the right to go electric. Never in my garage and I'm not to darn happy with my "Mild Hybrid/Auto start work around on my X5. That said, IMO the EV adoption rate would be better had it not become such a political football. I know a lot of automotive companies would not have lost billions on the EV religion. If you think we ICE buyers aren't paying for that, I have a sightly used bridge to sell you.

[Phillies8008]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

As long as I don't have to pay for your EV I think everyone should have the right to go electric. Never in my garage and I'm not to darn happy with my "Mild Hybrid/Auto start work around on my X5. That said, IMO the EV adoption rate would be better had it not become such a political football. I know a lot of automotive companies would not have lost billions on the EV religion. If you think we ICE buyers aren't paying for that, I have a sightly used bridge to sell you.

We're in agreement on the first count – get whatever damn car you like and fits you. I absolutely have no axe to grind and ultimately don't care what car anyone buys.

[G30M]

Originally Posted by m3bs

There was an article in the WSJ today about EV ownership experience. It was generally positive, but one thing jumped out at me. They said EVs had 80% more reliability issues than ICE vehicles, based on a CR survey. It didn’t say whether the issues were mechanical, electrical, or software related.

I have bought 2 new EVs now 3 years in, a new ICE now 3 years in, a 11 year old EV, a 18 year old ICE. the only issue i had was NA V6 drive chain came loose and imploded the engine - transplanted with lightly used crashed car's engine, leaked every corner, took it back 4 times now it has more silicon than Hollywood, but been ok since.

i dare not even drive my M550i because i'm worried about breaking it! meanwhile my Kia EV6 GT claims 0-62 in 3.5s. according to my RaceBox i have done nearly 1,000 launches and getting 3.7s. i think one day i launched it nearly 100 times in 2 hours (0-62 only, can't do quarter mile on public roads too risky). if i did that in a M3 it would have exploded!

[jphcbpa]

Originally Posted by Phillies8008

I think that's kind of a big ask considering where we're at today. Most ICE vehicles don't even have that kind of range.

BYD has a BEV 3 row suv at 590 miles range. Geely has a PHEV with 858 hp and 800 miles of range.