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The only time they tested different tires was on the GT-R a few years back. Nissan offered both OEM options so C&D tested both.
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As a side note, I am impressed with the X5M time of 3:11.1. I have driven the X6M at the Performance Center. It is a beast on track for sure.
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01-08-2012, 12:31 PM | #48 |
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its a shame the new m5 had'nt been available by the time they made the test it would have give the panamera a hell of a run.
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01-08-2012, 03:36 PM | #49 |
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uh.. a sequential box does have a clutch ie F355, 360, and F430. It just controlled by a TCU. It's not called DCT because it not 2 clutches but 1.
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Not at all "silly" to put a street car on a track. I have taken both my current beemers to the track, and one is an X3 diesel.
IMO it is just "silly" to judge them only on their track performance as that is not what they were intended, designed, bought or actually used for. BTW - My quotes around the word "silly" is because IMO and FWIW I dont feel comfortable using it in a serious conversation about my cars...
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01-08-2012, 05:07 PM | #51 |
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thanks for the lesson i'll take note,but the subject here was not why,when,or who was the first whit dct. the subject was:have you read C and D road test and what do you think about their bad review on their Z4dct.
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As owner of both Z4 and Ferrari with paddles, I feel the BMW unit is competitive and awesome especially in SPORT + mode. I also have a manual (Lotus) which is loads of fun on weekend drives, but the paddles on modern cars are equally engaging and SUPER fast. For a daily driver, nothing can beat a DCT.
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You say you are looking to see what people think about this review. Here's my honest thought: I don't give a frogs fat as$$ about this C&D writer's opinion. The choice I made to go with the DCT is, was and will always be.........the correct one. I am however sorry to hear that your wife dominates the vehicle transmission choices in your family. Last edited by 35iDriver; 01-08-2012 at 10:08 PM.. |
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On the flipside, it's really annoying that BMW didn't make the Z4 faster, if a crazy SUV (or SAV using their mumbo-jumbo) can almost catch up w/ it on the track. BMW always seem to neglect its Z line in terms of performance that could have been waaaay better, back to the Z3, and e85 Z4 (reg trim) vs the N54 that was first given to the 335 to make it faster/same. Of course, our e89 could have been made faster as well, esp given the huge price bump vs the older model.
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Jim DCT >>>>>MT and I have driven a Z4 IS on the track a lot, and you cant beat it! |
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Now, I prefer a manual from a fun factor, but not a pure track time perspective. I call the magazine suspect as just not knowing the transmission (or cough... knowing how to drive on a track). i.e. trying to "shift with a side load" |
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I have always opted for the manual tranny. Back when I was getting ready to order my car, I held off until I could find a dealer that had the dct. It took me a while to find a dealer that had a Z4 with the dct to test drive. This was back in the fall of 2009 so there weren't many Z4's in dealer lots period. I wanted to test drive the car with the new dct before I placed my order. I am all for new technology.
It is really a matter of preference. The dct just did not do it for me. I ended up ordering my car with the 6mt. I have not regretted my decision either. I really feel it is more fun driving with a manual. Neither choice is right or wrong or better or worse. It is simply a personal preference.
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Have you Googled DCT and pulled up all the POSITIVE reviews yet? I am eager to hear what you think about all the positive articles?
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Richard, was that Z4 ///M lap time from a previous article on the same track?
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Watching the video of ZR-1, one notices there are two nice straights where the Vett's tach get's into the 6,500 RPM range, but the rest of the track consists of lower speed turns that require a lot of driver attention and judicious use of the throttle (3500 - 4500 RPM typical). That's where the n54 TT is at home with plenty of torque. By comparison, the Z4 ///M's engine would have to reach higher in the RPM range through the same turns, likely translating to a less idea gear selection. In spite of the difficulties the e89 had to overcome, my guess is the e89 could slip through with a little more speed and the 35is' overboost function comes in handy on the turn's exit. In general, today I think the primary difference between a MT and a DCT is not mechanical, but the program control of the DCT. Said another way, program the DCT to operate exactly as a MT i.e., shift up or down only by the driver - we know from the DCTs seen in much higher dollar cars, it is fully capable and can take it just like a MT.
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