Still want an EV? (NO POLITICS)

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by Prossx

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ers-to-hybrids

I totally agree. Hybrids are the way to go to slowly fill the gap between ICE and EV. However, the maintenance cost could be more than pure ICE. Now we have 2 systems to maintenance and 2 system to break down.

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Sorry not buying that one.

Look at pictures: These EV's are toast. Not over heated wiring.
“Lithium batteries are new challenge,” Houde said.
The home also sustained damage, he said.

The incident is at least an interesting beginning to retirement for Boluyt, who stepped down from his role as a Washtenaw Community College professor at the end of December 2023.

“Possessions don’t matter,” Boluyt said. “My wife and I are safe. My dog is safe.”

https://www.mlive.com/news/ann-arbor...rage-fire.html

Bet they are out shopping for new EV's today. Now if the dog got burned up that would be different story.

Even if it was caused by the wire. I don't know how many 60+ years old houses, appartments and town houses in American. I know there are many many in Canada. Are they wired to today electric demand standard. I think we all know the answers

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by eugenebmw

Remember what go into the body need to come out too. We need thousand and thousand more public washrooms for EV users

Just a walk over to the main motorway service area would have that sorted.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by eugenebmw

Even if it was caused by the wire. I don't know how many 60+ years old houses, appartments and town houses in American. I know there are many many in Canada. Are they wired to today electric demand standard. I think we all know the answers

Hardly a electric clothes dryer in the US or Canada doesn't have a 40 or 50 amp dedicate line. I'm sure any electrician worth their salt would make sure the service panel and circuit to the charger was compliant. A Level 2 charger installation will require a permit and inspection.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Yet, because climate fearers want to eliminate engine exhaust, the PSHEV technology will never be developed.

Yes they need to eliminate the burning of fossil fuels from their line of sight and their back yard.

I see your PSHEV thoughts and I think it is a solution for quite a lot of folks. Were this not a religion/cult it would see the light of day.

I'm thinking more like technology use in Formula One and WEC where the two systems work in tandem. The Toyota GR010 Hybrid Hypercar is a 3.5-liter V-6 direct-injection turbocharged engine (670HP) with a 200 kW (270HP) electric motor driving front wheels, producing a total of 940HP in endurance package with BoP. Still doesn't address the elephant in the room LiPo batteries.

[Socal_R8]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

I Google Mapped the Wales to Leeds trip. It shows 198 miles @4 hrs 50 minutes. I just took a near similar length trip over Christmas week from Culpeper, Virginia to Virginia Beach, Virginia. 200 miles and 3 hrs 20 minutes per Google Maps. Took my gas guzzling H3T Hummer. Left home with 7/8ths tank. We took a very indirect route which was around 280 miles and 6 hours. Drove non stop. Vacationed for 5 days, then headed back home via anther non-direct route. Left on a 1/4 tank filled up at VA Beach. Took 6 minutes (23 gallons).

If I had to tell my wife, "Oh by the way, we need to charge up a few times at 2 hrs total. I'd still have the lump on my head. Lol.

His 1st charge at Micky D's was $75 for 258 miles. My E90 gets 27.3 MPG. At $3.99/ gal for premium $75 gets me 515 miles. The Hummer would go 330 miles for $75. What a joke.

except it doesnt work like that in the US...don't be dooped by an anti-EV boob from another country who is most likely being paid by BP for these idiotic anti-ev videos.

Most modern day EV's wouldn't need to charge on a 200 mile trip if you left the house on a full charge and it would cost about $17-25 and about 30 min to get a 250 mile charge.
If you need $75 and 2 hours of charging time in the US for that you have no idea what you're doing or just spewing hyperbolic nonsense

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by SoCal_NSX

If you need $75 and 2 hours of charging time in the US for that you have no idea what you're doing or just spewing hyperbolic nonsense

OK I'll give you, that home charging is least expensive. MotorTrend article is pretty straight forward. If you need to use public charging or the distance exceeds your battery capacity it is a whole new ball game.

The Key Takeaway
Owning a Tesla can save you hundreds of dollars a year on fuel costs, but only if you're able to charge at home or find public plugs with free or subsidized electricity. The premium pricing at Superchargers and other public charging stations often makes driving an EV just as expensive as driving an efficient hybrid or gas car.
https://www.motortrend.com/features/...harge-a-tesla/

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

OK I'll give you, that home charging is least expensive. MotorTrend article is pretty straight forward. If you need to use public charging or the distance exceeds your battery capacity it is a whole new ball game.

The Key Takeaway
Owning a Tesla can save you hundreds of dollars a year on fuel costs, but only if you're able to charge at home or find public plugs with free or subsidized electricity. The premium pricing at Superchargers and other public charging stations often makes driving an EV just as expensive as driving an efficient hybrid or gas car.
https://www.motortrend.com/features/...harge-a-tesla/

My car came with 10,000 miles of free supercharger usage.

[Socal_R8]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

OK I'll give you, that home charging is least expensive. MotorTrend article is pretty straight forward. If you need to use public charging or the distance exceeds your battery capacity it is a whole new ball game.

The Key Takeaway
Owning a Tesla can save you hundreds of dollars a year on fuel costs, but only if you're able to charge at home or find public plugs with free or subsidized electricity. The premium pricing at Superchargers and other public charging stations often makes driving an EV just as expensive as driving an efficient hybrid or gas car.
https://www.motortrend.com/features/...harge-a-tesla/

yes, if you don't have home charging(which a majority of EV owners do) it can be as expensive as an efficient hybrid(but much faster, less maintenance and much more fun)

[Car-Addicted]

Tesla Quietly Downgrades Range Estimates on Multiple Models
1/5/2024
The move will likely bring the range estimates, which refers to the number of miles an electric vehicle can travel on a fully charged battery, closer to reality. The company has faced criticism in recent years that it unrealistically inflates the range on its vehicles.
On Tesla's website, the Model Y Long Range was quietly reduced from 330 to 310 miles; while the Model Y Performance was reduced from 303 miles to 285 miles. Though, the Model Y Rear-Wheel Drive, the most affordable model introduced to the U.S. in October, maintained a range estimate of 260 miles. Other than the range, there has been no change in pricing across any of the three models.
Additionally, an estimate for the Model X Plaid has dropped from 333 miles to 326, and the Model S Plaid configuration with 19-inch wheels has been updated to 359 miles from 396 miles
https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news...23d017c6b&ei=3

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by SoCal_NSX

except it doesnt work like that in the US...don't be dooped by an anti-EV boob from another country who is most likely being paid by BP for these idiotic anti-ev videos.

Most modern day EV's wouldn't need to charge on a 200 mile trip if you left the house on a full charge and it would cost about $17-25 and about 30 min to get a 250 mile charge.
If you need $75 and 2 hours of charging time in the US for that you have no idea what you're doing or just spewing hyperbolic nonsense

I wish, and who you calling a boob.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by eugenebmw

Even if it was caused by the wire. I don't know how many 60+ years old houses, appartments and town houses in American. I know there are many many in Canada. Are they wired to today electric demand standard. I think we all know the answers

Good point.

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

I've been a proponent of the non-plug-in pure serial hybrid electric vehicle (PSHEV). 15kWh battery charged on board by a ICE specifically designed to power an electrical generator. With the engine not mechanically connected to the drive wheels, the engine can be made of lighter, higher temperature resistant materials such as ceramic and vastly improve the heat energy transfer for propulsion via the electric drive. The engine can then be tuned for maximum combustion efficiency within a very narrow powerband (RPM range). The Chevy Volt proved this architecture works and returned above 50 MPG in gas mode. The Volt used an off the self ICEV engine and was mechanically connected to the drive wheels though it mostly just provided electrical generation. Change the architecture to a specific engine design for electrical generation only And a far higher MPG rating can be achieved. Calculate in the energy loss of moving electrons from the generation site into the EV battery and I'd bet the total energy loss of PSHEV to be on par with current and future BEV.

Such an architecture is scaleable and multi-platform adaptable. Most importantly it does not disrupt the petrochemical industrial supply base and requires no electrical extensive grid enhancements to provide private and public charging of tens of millions of future BEV. An most importantly it requires zero investment in a non-economically-viable BEV public charging infrastructure network.

Yet, because climate fearers want to eliminate engine exhaust, the PSHEV technology will never be developed.

If any climate fearers who live in Northern part of Europe, Canada or Northern part of USA still keep their house temperature higher than 15C in the winter. None of them should talk about saving the earth. They are just hypocite. I keep my house at 10C or lower. Running the furnace only when I am taking the shower and have lunch. Total furnace run time in the middle of the winter is usually less than 1 hour per day. Anyone can match or beat that, then we can start talking saving the earth. Otherwise, shut the heck up.

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Hardly a electric clothes dryer in the US or Canada doesn't have a 40 or 50 amp dedicate line. I'm sure any electrician worth their salt would make sure the service panel and circuit to the charger was compliant. A Level 2 charger installation will require a permit and inspection.

I think electrician will be the hottest career in the next 10 years.

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by gblansten

My car came with 10,000 miles of free supercharger usage.

May I ask how much is your S Plaid? And how many mainstream ppl can afford it.

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by eugenebmw

May I ask how much is your S Plaid? And how many mainstream ppl can afford it.

The current price is always available on tesla.com. There are 4126 mainstream people who can afford the car and there are 1172 non-mainstream people.

[Socal_R8]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

I wish.

was referring to the YouTuber making the videos, not the person who keeps posting them....

[Socal_R8]

Originally Posted by eugenebmw

If any climate fearers who live in Northern part of Europe, Canada or Northern part of USA still keep their house temperature higher than 15C in the winter. None of them should talk about saving the earth. They are just hypocite. I keep my house at 10C or lower. Running the furnace only when I am taking the shower and have lunch. Total furnace run time in the middle of the winter is usually less than 1 hour per day. Anyone can match or beat that, then we can start talking saving the earth. Otherwise, shut the heck up.

you obviously live alone....if not I feel bad for the wife and kids


live feed of eugine posting away today

[eugenebmw]

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Originally Posted by SoCal_NSX

you obviously live alone....if not I feel bad for the wife and kids


live feed of eugine posting away today

This is how me and my wife get away from aging. We save $$$$$$$$. I can fuel up my G82 and have tons of fun.

I have never claim I am doing anything to help the world because driving any car itself is not saving the earth anything. I believe anyone who claim they are helping the world should stop doing most thing and live as simple as possible. I am seeing no one on this forum is living as simple as a person can be.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by SoCal_NSX

you obviously live alone....if not I feel bad for the wife and kids

Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt.
— ABRAHAM LINCOLN.

[eugenebmw]

[QUOTE=Car-Addicted;30788641]

Originally Posted by SoCal_NSX

you obviously live alone....if not I feel bad for the wife and kids /QUOTE]

Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt.
— ABRAHAM LINCOLN.

[chad86tsi]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Hardly a electric clothes dryer in the US or Canada doesn't have a 40 or 50 amp dedicate line. I'm sure any electrician worth their salt would make sure the service panel and circuit to the charger was compliant. A Level 2 charger installation will require a permit and inspection.

The problem is : can the panel support charging the car while drying clothes. Panel calculations are a complex formula, you don't just add up all the breaker values and that's how much apms you have. Also, circuits that run constantly (like a charger) get de-rated 20%, where as your garbage disposal and Microwave do not. Some have resorted to plugging the charger into the dryer outlet so you have use of one or the other. My wife would kill me if I tried that idea.

Some panels can barely handle what is already in them. Just because they have an 50 amp oven and a 40 amp dryer doesn't mean there is room for another 40amp load that runs for 4-9 hours straight.

Putting in a bigger panel doesn't always work, some areas are limited by the power lines outside. This is like putting in bigger pipes in your house so you can take a better shower, now you run out of hot water twice as fast.

People that have EV's have crossed this bridge and solved this problem. Those that have not tried yet may find that they can't. Currently the ones that can't make it work become those that don't have EV's. When there's nothing left to buy, they are good and f'd.