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[Car-Addicted]

China coal power spree continues at frantic pace with 300+ plants in pipeline despite 2030 carbon pledge, research says
Saturday, 02 Sep 2023
The country approved permits for 52 gigawatts (GW) of new coal power capacity in the first half of 2023, maintaining the previous pace of approving two plants per week, according to a report published by Global Energy Monitor (GEM) and the Centre for Research on Energy and Clean Air (CREA) on Tuesday.
Most of the new projects do not meet the central government’s stated requirements for permitting, and the provinces building the most new coal capacity are not using it to support a correspondingly large buildout of clean energy, the report said. Most of the projects are in provinces that have no shortage of generating capacity to meet demand peaks, the authors said.

https://www.thestar.com.my/aseanplus...-research-says

Silly Greenie Grifters think China give a flying F about global warming.

[Murf the Surf]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

China coal power spree continues at frantic pace with 300+ plants in pipeline despite 2030 carbon pledge, research says
Saturday, 02 Sep 2023
The country approved permits for 52 gigawatts (GW) of new coal power capacity in the first half of 2023, maintaining the previous pace of approving two plants per week, according to a report published by Global Energy Monitor (GEM) and the Centre for Research on Energy and Clean Air (CREA) on Tuesday.
Most of the new projects do not meet the central government’s stated requirements for permitting, and the provinces building the most new coal capacity are not using it to support a correspondingly large buildout of clean energy, the report said. Most of the projects are in provinces that have no shortage of generating capacity to meet demand peaks, the authors said.

https://www.thestar.com.my/aseanplus...-research-says

Silly Greenie Grifters think China give a flying F about global warming.

This is impossible, Canada's Minister of Climate Change has been in China all week reading them the riot act on Climate Change.

[Car-Addicted]

Canada's Minister of Climate Change meet China's Minister of we don't give a F.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

China coal power spree continues at frantic pace with 300+ plants in pipeline despite 2030 carbon pledge, research says
Saturday, 02 Sep 2023
The country approved permits for 52 gigawatts (GW) of new coal power capacity in the first half of 2023, maintaining the previous pace of approving two plants per week, according to a report published by Global Energy Monitor (GEM) and the Centre for Research on Energy and Clean Air (CREA) on Tuesday.
Most of the new projects do not meet the central government’s stated requirements for permitting, and the provinces building the most new coal capacity are not using it to support a correspondingly large buildout of clean energy, the report said. Most of the projects are in provinces that have no shortage of generating capacity to meet demand peaks, the authors said.

https://www.thestar.com.my/aseanplus...-research-says

Silly Greenie Grifters think China give a flying F about global warming.

So the truth is like opposite of what our energy secretary said about her bosses over there and stuff.

Imagine that

[chad86tsi]

Originally Posted by RM7

Where do you live that the only renewable is solar?

Where do you live where the word "almost" = the word "only"?

[chad86tsi]

Originally Posted by kyriian

Didn't think chad86tsi would leave openings that obvious if i had learned anything thru these posts.

As a courtesy to the discussion, the California ISO real time power mix was 3540 MW (15%) renewable and 23,920 (85%) MW non-renewable as of midnight last night.

https://www.caiso.com/TodaysOutlook/Pages/supply.html

Even now (11 AM local) as we approach peak availability, Renewables are only 46% of that part of the national grid.

And this is in by most accounts is the "renewable capitol" of the US, at a time (the summer) when renewables are at their annual peak, at a time where daily availability is near it's peak.

[zx10guy]

Nice summary of all the lunacy of California's green policies and the broad detrimental impacts it has had.

One of the things that stuck out to me was interviewee stating that there's a proposal by PG&E to have EV owners plug their cars into the grid during high demand events to "charge" the grid with the stored electricity in their EV car's batteries. The fact that this is even being considered should tell the nay sayers that the grid isn't as robust as they think it is.

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by zx10guy

Nice summary of all the lunacy of California's green policies and the broad detrimental impacts it has had.

One of the things that stuck out to me was interviewee stating that there's a proposal by PG&E to have EV owners plug their cars into the grid during high demand events to "charge" the grid with the stored electricity in their EV car's batteries. The fact that this is even being considered should tell the nay sayers that the grid isn't as robust as they think it is.

Can’t imagine the Cali grid will be up to speed for an EV transition.
Just going to watch the slow moving accident happen.

[Housekeeping]

Likely ordering a new Model X as we absolutely love our 22 Model S Plaid. Have a Rivian on order for my wife that we’ll cancel. I’m all for ICE, still have a few but there’s nothing like EV. Flame on.

[RM7]

Originally Posted by chad86tsi

Where do you live where the word "almost" = the word "only"?

Well, for it to be "Night charging = using almost entirely carbon based power sources", I would assume you mean "almost" to be around 100%, since that's what it would mean in this context, so that would mean the only renewable you could use would be solar in the daytime, since that's the only one that totally cuts out at night.

[chad86tsi]

Originally Posted by RM7

Well, for it to be "Night charging = using almost entirely carbon based power sources", I would assume you mean "almost" to be around 100%, since that's what it would mean in this context, so that would mean the only renewable you could use would be solar in the daytime, since that's the only one that totally cuts out at night.

In context? in context of "solar is the only renewable", that might be a reasonable conclusion, but a reasonable person knows solar is not the only renewable, so where does that place you on the "reasonable" scale?

[RM7]

Originally Posted by chad86tsi

In context? in context of "solar is the only renewable", that might be a reasonable conclusion, but a reasonable person knows solar is not the only renewable, so where does that place you on the "reasonable" scale?

IDK, you are the one that said night-charging was almost entirely carbon-based. Here, we have natural gas turbines (highly efficient), hydroelectric and wind. The later of two both function at night. Sometimes people think just because it gets calmer at the surface at night that the wind above isn't still chugging along. The air right next to the ground does slow at night, but the windshear level also lowers, so it's common just a few feet off the ground at night to run into more windshear in the day, meaning the air just a few dozen feet up is moving along nicely. And of course the lakes or rivers still flow at night.

[chad86tsi]

Originally Posted by RM7

IDK, you are the one that said night-charging was almost entirely carbon-based.

almost entirely =/= only.

Here, we have natural gas turbines (highly efficient),

how many states are there where you live?

Alaska power mix:

Coal (11.6%)
Natural Gas (42.3%)
Hydroelectric (29.5%)
Wind (2.2%)
Biomass (0.6%)
Petroleum (13.8%)

Alaska is 67.7 % carbon based, and since it's not predominantly solar, that means there is no "green" time of day to use power there like High solar-source states.

Night charging = using almost entirely carbon based power sources in Alaska too.



FYI : High efficiency Natural gas turbines are 100% Carbon based.

[RM7]

Originally Posted by chad86tsi

almost entirely =/= only.




how many states are there where you live?

Alaska power mix:

Coal (11.6%)
Natural Gas (42.3%)
Hydroelectric (29.5%)
Wind (2.2%)
Biomass (0.6%)
Petroleum (13.8%)

Alaska is 67.7 % carbon based, and since it's not predominantly solar, that means there is no "green" time of day to use power there like High solar-source states.

Night charging = using almost entirely carbon based power sources in Alaska too.



FYI : High efficiency Natural gas turbines are 100% Carbon based.

In the muni, that is wrong. There is no coal here. You are talking about Fairbanks there. Radically different area. Thats like 5 states away for you.

[Murf the Surf]

Originally Posted by RM7

In the muni, that is wrong. There is no coal here. You are talking about Fairbanks there. Radically different area. Thats like 5 states away for you.

About 60% of all US electricity is generated by fossil fuels, 18% nuclear. https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.p...0other%20gases.

[RM7]

Originally Posted by Murf the Surf

About 60% of all US electricity is generated by fossil fuels, 18% nuclear. https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.p...0other%20gases.

I wouldn’t consider 60% to be “almost all”. Id consider that to be “almost half”. If something is described as “almost all”, it damn better be pretty close to all…

[Murf the Surf]

Originally Posted by RM7

I wouldn’t consider 60% to be “almost all”. Id consider that to be “almost half”. If something is described as “almost all”, it damn better be pretty close to all…

OK

[Car-Addicted]

Things that make you go Hmmmmm
Challenge to stop solar panels becoming a 'waste mountain'

Experts say billions of panels will eventually all need to be disposed of and replaced.
"The world has installed more than one terawatt of solar capacity. Ordinary solar panels have a capacity of about 400W, so if you count both rooftops and solar farms, there could be as many as 2.5 billion solar panels.
Energy experts are calling for urgent government action to prevent a looming global environmental disaster.
"It's going to be a waste mountain by 2050, unless we get recycling chains going now," says Ute Collier, deputy director of the International Renewable Energy Agency.
"Over 60% of the value is contained in 3% of the weight of the solar panels," he says.
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-65602519

Once again showing that this is NOT about the environment.

[chad86tsi]

Originally Posted by RM7

I wouldn’t consider 60% to be “almost all”. Id consider that to be “almost half”. If something is described as “almost all”, it damn better be pretty close to all…

[KRS_SN]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...car-ban-china/

European car manufacturers are being forced into a price war with Chinese companies as the EU pushes ahead with plans to ban combustion engines, the boss of BMW has warned.

BMW chief executive Oliver Zipse has said he considered China entering the European market as an “imminent risk” after the development of its electric car market over the last 15 years enveloped much of the world’s battery supply chains.

He said that companies like BMW will likely be shielded from competition from China’s manufacturers, which will target buyers of cheaper vehicles.

Mr Zipse told the Financial Times: “The base car market segment will either vanish or will not be done by European manufacturers.”

In February, the European Parliament voted to approve a new law banning the sale of petrol and diesel cars from 2035.

BMW has presented the first prototype of its future electric-vehicle lineup - the Vision Neue Klasse concept car - which will be on display at this week’s IAA show in Munich.

[M5Rick]

Even if I had a choice without 'them' forcing a hitlerite type command I still wouldn't want any EV that's at risk of igniting. I may have mentioned this before but I'm astounded that the younger generations are ignoring the bigger picture of where this is going to take them, huge cost of living bills especially affecting the less well off, we are seing this getting worse as time goes by with the many encampments in some US cities, I saw the beginnings of it when I was in LA 10 years ago.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Things that make you go Hmmmmm
Challenge to stop solar panels becoming a 'waste mountain'

Experts say billions of panels will eventually all need to be disposed of and replaced.
"The world has installed more than one terawatt of solar capacity. Ordinary solar panels have a capacity of about 400W, so if you count both rooftops and solar farms, there could be as many as 2.5 billion solar panels.
Energy experts are calling for urgent government action to prevent a looming global environmental disaster.
"It's going to be a waste mountain by 2050, unless we get recycling chains going now," says Ute Collier, deputy director of the International Renewable Energy Agency.
"Over 60% of the value is contained in 3% of the weight of the solar panels," he says.
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-65602519

Once again showing that this is NOT about the environment.

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