Still want an EV? (NO POLITICS)

[M5Rick]

^ We can see the doors, hood and front fenders are alloy for this vehicle and melted in the intense fire.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Ever notice the color of the burned Tesla fenders match the color of the sides of the hulls the transport ships that burn up and sink carrying EV?

As you mention ships this happened in Newark port, it's bad with two deaths.

[Car-Addicted]

Remember these:

Ford 100: Defective Pinto almost took Ford's reputation with it
Remember the Pinto? It was one of the industry's hottest-selling subcompacts during the 1970s. Its success enhanced the reputation of Lee Iacocca - until an estimated 500 deaths and hundreds of injuries were linked to a faulty design that made the gasoline tank vulnerable to explosion after rear-end collisions.
It was too late to save Ford's reputation. Ford customers filed 117 lawsuits, according to Peter Wyden in The Unknown Iacocca. A 1979 landmark case, Indiana vs. Ford Motor Co., made the automaker the first U.S. corporation indicted and prosecuted on criminal homicide charges.
Pinto crashes caused the death and mutilation of 900 occupants after their cars burst into flames after rear-end collisions, according to Wyden in The Unknown Iacocca.
https://www.autoweek.com/news/a20990...reputation-it/

History of the GM Side Saddle Gas Tank Defect
The side saddle fuel tank design installed in over 10 million trucks – all 1973-87 General Motors full-size pickups and cab-chassis trucks (pickups without beds) and some 1988-91 dual cab or RV chassis – is the worst auto crash fire defect in the history of the U.S. Department of Transportation. Based on data from the Fatality Analysis Reporting System (formerly known as the Fatal Accident Reporting System), over 2,000 people were killed in fire crashes involving these trucks from 1973 through 2009. (Attachment A is a list of fatal C/K fire crashes by state since 1993.) This is more than twenty times as many fatalities as in the infamous Ford Pinto.
https://www.autosafety.org/history-g...s-tank-defect/

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

I have to go down to the big city to see mask wearers. Out where I live, our county had a total of 0.35% deaths by population from COVID and not a lot of Tesla's. Maybe there is a correlation there...

Careful they are like locusts, you think you have them bottled up in the cities and college towns and before you know it they are your neighbors.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Just wanted to set the record straight. Not a flame (pun intended) on what you posted.

Got you

I guess I could have made my point in the two articles more transparent. The point was that these issues were in the news and they both attributed to both companies losing market share and legal resolutions. How many cars and homes have to be destroyed and how many lives lost before this EV insanity joins the Pinto and GM Pick up side tanks on the ash heap of bad ideas.

[Car-Addicted]

I predict this will be a trend. Lets see if EV owners like being tracked by big government as much as they liked the government EV rebate hand out?

Utah and Oregon Now Require GPS Trackers on EVs in Lieu of Registration Fee, Tax Drivers by the Mile
For a little added Orwellianism, the DriveSync® app also assigns a “driving score” based on how fast the slave citizen accelerates, brakes, corners turns, and drives. The app records bad driving behavior and shows it to the slave citizen on a digital map.
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politic...recip=29326568

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7to_NVK9PPI&t=5s
I might have to get one of these to see how bad a score I could rack up?

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

As the former owner of 4 Pintos from 1978 thru 1989, I have to defend the car, because it got a bad reputation as a fire death trap from none other than Ralph Nader and his Center for Auto Safety and the political-left leaning Mother Jones magazine. Wikipedia has a great writeup on the actual Pinto fire topic if anyone is interested in the truth. Well prior to the invention of the commercial internet, the Washington Post circa 1982 published a similar summary of the Pinto fire story, which I read in the newspaper on the day it was published.

Some summary information from Wikipedia:

"Retrospective safety analysis:

A Rutgers Law Review article by former UCLA law professor Gary T. Schwartz (see Section 7.3 NHTSA Investigation above), examined the fatality rates of the Pinto and several other small cars of the time period. He noted that fires, and rear-end fires, in particular, are a very small portion of overall auto fatalities. At the time only 1% of automobile crashes would result in fire and only 4% of fatal accidents involved fire, and only 15% of fatal fire crashes are the result of rear-end collisions. When considering the overall safety of the Pinto, subcompact cars as a class had a generally higher fatality risk. Pintos represented 1.9% of all cars on the road in the 1975–76 period. During that time, the car represented 1.9% of all "fatal accidents accompanied by some fire". This implies the Pinto was average for all cars and slightly above average for its class. When all types of fatalities are considered, the Pinto was approximately even with the AMC Gremlin, Chevrolet Vega, and Datsun 510. It was significantly better than the Datsun 1200/210, Toyota Corolla, and VW Beetle. The safety record of the car in terms of fire was average or slightly below average for compacts, and all cars respectively. This was considered respectable for a subcompact car. Only when considering the narrow subset of a rear impact, fire fatalities for the car were somewhat worse than the average for subcompact cars. While acknowledging this is an important legal point, Schwartz rejected the portrayal of the car as a firetrap."

"The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) ultimately directed Ford to recall the Pinto. Initially, the NHTSA did not feel there was sufficient evidence to demand a recall due to incidents of fire. The NHTSA investigation found that 27 deaths were found to have occurred between 1970 and mid-1977 in rear-impact crashes that resulted in a fire. The NHTSA did not indicate if these impacts would have been survivable absent fire or if the impacts were more severe than even a state-of-the-art (for 1977) fuel system could have withstood. In their analysis of the social factors affecting the NHTSA's actions, Lee and Ermann note that 27 is the same number of deaths attributed to a Pinto transmission problem which contributed to collisions after the affected cars stalled. They also note that the NHTSA had two primary incentives in proving a defect existed in the Pinto's fuel system design. The administration was pressured by safety advocates (Center for Auto Safety) as well as the public response. It was also being forced into action due to the ways in which both the courts and executive branch were limiting the ability of the NHTSA to address systematic auto safety issues."

Just wanted to set the record straight. Not a flame (pun intended) on what you posted.

Now regarding the Chevy CK fuel tank. Google NBC and the model rocket motor coverup. Journalism...

Not safety related this but I was jokingly thinking the AMC Pacer was based on the rear end of a Jensen Interceptor they tried to match but it went horribly wrong.. it's the champagne talking now.

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

As you mention ships this happened in Newark port, it's bad with two deaths.

No electric cars on that ship per the report.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by gblansten

No electric cars on that ship per the report.

We need a 'stewards on that.

[Car-Addicted]

"The company said the vessel was 1,200 vehicles and 157 containers when the fire started, but there are reportedly no electric vehicles or hazardous cargo aboard."
https://gcaptain.com/fire-extinguish...n-port-newark/

A source briefed on the situation told CBS New York it was loaded with used cars apparently headed overseas to be refurbished and sold.
https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news...costa-davorio/

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

"The company said the vessel was 1,200 vehicles and 157 containers when the fire started, but there are reportedly no electric vehicles or hazardous cargo aboard."
https://gcaptain.com/fire-extinguish...n-port-newark/

A source briefed on the situation told CBS New York it was loaded with used cars apparently headed overseas to be refurbished and sold.
https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news...costa-davorio/

In that case I'll let this one go then, be interesting to know how the fire actually started.

[G MONEY]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

"The company said the vessel was 1,200 vehicles and 157 containers when the fire started, but there are reportedly no electric vehicles or hazardous cargo aboard."
https://gcaptain.com/fire-extinguish...n-port-newark/

A source briefed on the situation told CBS New York it was loaded with used cars apparently headed overseas to be refurbished and sold.
https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news...costa-davorio/

Probably full of stolen Chargers and M3/4’s with a new key fob. Lol

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by G MONEY

Probably full of stolen Chargers and M3/4’s with a new key fob. Lol

Considering the demand for used cars in the US and it being NJ, I'm going to go out on a limb here and say you're on point.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Have you been to the grocery store lately? The number of idiots all masked up leaves me little hope for intelligence. If I was Tesla I would go to the grocery stores and hand out sales flyers to all the masked idiots. Here's your sign.



The Solid-State 900-mile battery, The holy grail for the EV industry.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmGq6-e6vLI

Won't China be

Public records FINALLY released show FuCci Inc walked away with $300M.
Scam for all eternity?
If there's a Hell, we know who's going.
Dantes crappiest ring and stuff.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Anyone interested in the real story behind EV should read EO 14008 Jan. 27, 2021.

Yup important read:
https://www.federalregister.gov/docu...ome-and-abroad

[M5Rick]

Climate change alright and from this, a thermal runaway from an EV van next to a runway at London Airport.
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=me...id:mIIdMkwKLp4

[Car-Addicted]

Samsung SDI to Manufacture 46120 Batteries in Europe, Likely for BMW
Sources said customer BMW has requested that Samsung SDI manufacture 46120 batteries (46mm in diameter, 120mm in length).
BMW is building an electric vehicle factory at nearby Debrecen, which is around 3 hours’ driving distance from Samsung SDI’s factory.
https://batteriesnews.com/samsung-sd...pe-likely-bmw/

BMW Plans Move to Structural Battery Packs and ‘46120’ Cells
For BMW’s Neue Klasse platform, space and weight are saved by using the battery pack as a structural, crash-resistant chassis member: the entire floorpan yawns open until the pack fills the gap. That “pack-to-open-body” design will allow BMW tailor battery sizes to a wide range of vehicles and applications: Pack sizes can range from 75 kWh to a beefy 150 kWh, with motor output ranging from an estimated 268 horsepower to a dizzying 1341 hp (1000 kW). The design also saves more than 10 mm (0.39 in.) in vehicle height, reducing costs and lowering center-of-gravity while improving aerodynamics. BMW executives, including CTO Frank Weber, said the goal is to squeeze more miles from every cell, not to cram ever-larger batteries aboard.
https://www.mobilityengineeringtech....-reports/47422

"BMW’s Neue Klasse platform, space and weight are saved by using the battery pack as a structural, crash-resistant chassis member"
What could possibly go wrong?

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Samsung SDI to Manufacture 46120 Batteries in Europe, Likely for BMW
Sources said customer BMW has requested that Samsung SDI manufacture 46120 batteries (46mm in diameter, 120mm in length).
BMW is building an electric vehicle factory at nearby Debrecen, which is around 3 hours’ driving distance from Samsung SDI’s factory.
https://batteriesnews.com/samsung-sd...pe-likely-bmw/

BMW Plans Move to Structural Battery Packs and ‘46120’ Cells
For BMW’s Neue Klasse platform, space and weight are saved by using the battery pack as a structural, crash-resistant chassis member: the entire floorpan yawns open until the pack fills the gap. That “pack-to-open-body” design will allow BMW tailor battery sizes to a wide range of vehicles and applications: Pack sizes can range from 75 kWh to a beefy 150 kWh, with motor output ranging from an estimated 268 horsepower to a dizzying 1341 hp (1000 kW). The design also saves more than 10 mm (0.39 in.) in vehicle height, reducing costs and lowering center-of-gravity while improving aerodynamics. BMW executives, including CTO Frank Weber, said the goal is to squeeze more miles from every cell, not to cram ever-larger batteries aboard.
https://www.mobilityengineeringtech....-reports/47422

"BMW’s Neue Klasse platform, space and weight are saved by using the battery pack as a structural, crash-resistant chassis member"
What could possibly go wrong?

1341 hp, Bm are really pushing the boat out with this one, looks like pie in the sky.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Yup important read:
https://www.federalregister.gov/docu...ome-and-abroad

Yeah . The climate change ..

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Yeah . The climate change ..

It's a clueless gov minis ter at the wheel

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

It's a clueless gov minis ter at the wheel

He's part of the Belgian Muppet Show in Brussels .

[RM7]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Yeah . The climate change ..

The bottom is still significantly cleaner and more efficient than trucking diesel around everywhere. And with combined power sources, it gets even better, but even with natural gas turbines, it's still cleaner than cars with fuel tanks.