Still want an EV?

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

It was heading for Egypt, probably Port Said and it didn't get very far until the disaster struck..just one car erupting in flames out of nowhere destroying probably all the cars on it with the ship.

Yes . The cargo ship "The Fremantle Highway" came from Germany .
EV's are like ticking time bombs ! An environmental disaster is coming up !

[David70]

Originally Posted by chad86tsi

EV's start themselves on fire in ways above and beyond the ways that ICEs start themselves on fire. I've already provided links and sources proof that this happens, not just that it "could" happen, as have others. In summary, they have more threat vectors of this spontaneous combustion phenomena than ICE. All cars have electrical systems, EV's have the additional risk of unpredictable fuel storage systems.

Only thing missing is any proof an EV is more dangerous than an ICE.

I do like your summary, "...they have more threat vectors..." - No idea what this means but it is awesome.

[G MONEY]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

There’s more risk filling up at a gas station when the whole station is packed vs charging your car at home.

People here are clueless about our future.

Oh well. Time will tell for sure! Getting close!!!!

Yawn 🤡

[chad86tsi]

Originally Posted by David70

Only thing missing is any proof an EV is more dangerous than an ICE.

I doubt you would accept any proof I provide.

Can you prove that an ICE fuel system is more dangerous than EV? You want to start a new circle-jerk?

I do like your summary, "...they have more threat vectors..." - No idea what this means but it is awesome.

Yes, big & specific words can have that effect on people.

If you are unfamiliar with what a term means, I suggest www.google.com.

[chad86tsi]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Ship disaster by EV !
A cargo ship caught fire off the coast of the Netherlands in the North Sea, killing at least one person and injuring several !
Ship was carrying 3000 cars ...

The Filicity Ace Cargo ship that sank last year is also suspected to have been caused by an EV fire. We'll never know, but it's the primary suspicion. That suspicion isn't born out of nothing...

[David70]

Originally Posted by chad86tsi

I doubt you would accept any proof I provide.

You haven't even tried. Go ahead and post the information.

Originally Posted by chad86tsi

Can you prove that an ICE fuel system is more dangerous than EV? You want to start a new circle-jerk?

No. I never said it was. I would never claim the ICE was more dangerous without having proof to back it up.

[Murf the Surf]

Originally Posted by David70

Only thing missing is any proof an EV is more dangerous than an ICE.

I do like your summary, "...they have more threat vectors..." - No idea what this means but it is awesome.

Just google posts made by countless fire departments on how much more dangerous EV car fires are.

https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/...ment-can-help/

[Car-Addicted]

Electric cars are involved in 50% more traffic accidents than their petrol and diesel counterparts, according to a study by insurer Axa.

The high number of accidents has actually nothing to do with the technology, but everything to do with the driving behaviour of the drivers. It is mainly the fast and sharp acceleration that surprises drivers, especially those new to the cars, and leads to accidents.

The current lithium-ion batteries are extremely hard to extinguish. And an electric car has thousands of batteries. For the fire brigade, the only solution is often to immerse the car in a container filled with water for a number of days. There are cases where electric cars were taken out of the water tank after a few days and yet caught fire again. This is a problem that remains a challenge for the manufacturers and the emergency services.

https://www.brusselstimes.com/287315...es-study-shows

OK who here didn't suspect EV drivers of driving like idiots in their "Green" car?

[chad86tsi]

Originally Posted by David70

You haven't even tried. Go ahead and post the information.

I've posted plenty over the last 3000+ posts in this topic alone, I'm not up to the task of scouring them all to re-post.

No. I never said it was. I would never claim the ICE was more dangerous without having proof to back it up.

And I've not said that EV's are more dangerous, just that they have more threat vectors = more ways to fail for those that are not well read.

I've owned a lot of battery operated electronic devices in my life, of multipel battery chemistries, over a very long span of time. The only ones I've ever had with "thermal problems" are Li-ion batteries. scaling this up to batteries 100KW+ or more in size is where the problem lies. charging a 1000-3000 pound Li-ion battery in an enclosed residential setting while soundly asleep is a risk some of us are just not ready to take. Those that feel that way aren't crazy.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by chad86tsi

The Filicity Ace Cargo ship that sank last year is also suspected to have been caused by an EV fire. We'll never know, but it's the primary suspicion. That suspicion isn't born out of nothing...

Sure it was . If your EV catches fire in your garage why wouldn't it catch fire at a cargo ship ..
It clearly simple why both Cargo ships caught fire and it won't be the last time .

[Murf the Surf]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Electric cars are involved in 50% more traffic accidents than their petrol and diesel counterparts, according to a study by insurer Axa.

The high number of accidents has actually nothing to do with the technology, but everything to do with the driving behaviour of the drivers. It is mainly the fast and sharp acceleration that surprises drivers, especially those new to the cars, and leads to accidents.

The current lithium-ion batteries are extremely hard to extinguish. And an electric car has thousands of batteries. For the fire brigade, the only solution is often to immerse the car in a container filled with water for a number of days. There are cases where electric cars were taken out of the water tank after a few days and yet caught fire again. This is a problem that remains a challenge for the manufacturers and the emergency services.

https://www.brusselstimes.com/287315...es-study-shows

OK who here didn't suspect EV drivers of driving like idiots in their "Green" car?

Who could've seen that coming, you produce a car that weights about 50% more and accelerates about 50% faster and then are surprised that idiots crash it at higher rates. Nothing to see here folks.....move along.

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by David70

None. Not picking on you but have you ever watched an ICE explode? Part of the reason these fires get so much attention is EV's are new, many dislike them, and they don't like any change.

If you come up with any data that EV's are more dangerous than ICE's please post it. I am not defending EV's just waiting on some proof.

You have proof that EV's are more dangerous than ICE's?

Dude where were you this entire thread?

These people are clueless. Let's monitor this progress in one year increments. I already shitted on another dudes theory back in december 2021 and he remained silent when december 2022 came around.

Let the cheerleaders do their hip hop hooray right now in 2023.

It's not a race it's a rally!

2030 will be the holy chit mang it's actually happening year!

[David70]

Originally Posted by Murf the Surf

Just google posts made by countless fire departments on how much more dangerous EV car fires are.

https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/...ment-can-help/

This doesn't prove the EV is more dangerous. Once there is a fire it is very difficult/dangerous to put out and this fire department needs new equipment to fight it. You need injury statistics, frequency of fires by number produced, something to show that the individual car is more dangerous. Could be the fire itself is more dangerous to fight but the EV rarely catches fire, or they are constantly catching fire and are also far more dangerous fires.

[David70]

Originally Posted by chad86tsi

I've posted plenty over the last 3000+ posts in this topic alone, I'm not up to the task of scouring them all to re-post.

So you have the proof just not the time/interest to look it up? We both know this doesn't make sense.

Originally Posted by chad86tsi

And I've not said that EV's are more dangerous, just that they have more threat vectors = more ways to fail for those that are not well read.

Great, now you point out you also haven't said EV's are more dangerous. Thanks, we both agree. I also haven't said which is more dangerous because I really don't know.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

It was heading for Egypt, probably Port Said and it didn't get very far until the disaster struck..just one car erupting in flames out of nowhere destroying probably all the cars on it with the ship.

Just wait for it to happen on a train in a channel tunnel .
I think it's just a matter of time...

[David70]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

Dude where were you this entire thread?

These people are clueless. Let's monitor this progress in one year increments. I already shitted on another dudes theory back in december 2021 and he remained silent when december 2022 came around.

Let the cheerleaders do their hip hop hooray right now in 2023.

It's not a race it's a rally!

2030 will be the holy chit mang it's actually happening year!

I find these places both strange and disappointing. Mob mentality has them come to an agreement, like all "EV's are bad", "EV's are dangerous", it's black/white, good/bad, and when someone comes in and asks for proof it's like some crazy accusation against them. Nothing personal, I won't believe it until it is proven, sorry.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Just wait for it to happen on a train in a channel tunnel .
I think it's just a matter of time...

If I ever used the channel tunnel again I wouldn't at all be happy with EV's on the train.

[KRS_SN]

Originally Posted by RM7

That one isn't far off though. People were losing their **** years ago when Toyota introduced the Prius...with a BATTERY. There was no shortage of predictions of terror and apocalypse due to this, with projections of dead Priuses everywhere, how it would fail completely, how they couldn't be repaired, how it was going to take their jerbs, etc. People are losing their **** again. Calm down honey, it's not going to change overnight, you'll be ok.

Great that you bring up the prius. I have always thought of Tesla as the prius part 2(only without the toyota build quality). Efficient butt ugly and destined to be around for a while and no one says wow when they see one.

[Murf the Surf]

Originally Posted by David70

This doesn't prove the EV is more dangerous. Once there is a fire it is very difficult to put out and this fire department needs new equipment to fight it.

So I'm going to suggest that there are countless storys about how dangerous EV fires are, about how they are involved in more accidents as a percentage than ICE vehicles. But I guess you need to wait for some government agency to do a 10 year study to confirm what people who deal with this on a daily basis are saying. No need to reply because I suspect we won't come to an agreement on it. Cheers.

https://www.brusselstimes.com/287315...es-study-shows

https://jalopnik.com/european-resear...oll-1849478907

https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2022/09/...urance-company

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/29/elec...heres-why.html

https://www.nbcnews.com/business/aut...fires-n1271084

[David70]

Did you read the articles or just the headlines?

Originally Posted by Murf the Surf

So I'm going to suggest that there are countless storys about how dangerous EV fires are, about how they are involved in more accidents as a percentage than ICE vehicles. But I guess you need to wait for some government agency to do a 10 year study to confirm what people who deal with this on a daily basis are saying. No need to reply because I suspect we won't come to an agreement on it. Cheers.

https://www.brusselstimes.com/287315...es-study-shows

First line

The high number of accidents has actually nothing to do with the technology, but everything to do with the driving behaviour of the drivers.

Originally Posted by Murf the Surf

https://jalopnik.com/european-resear...oll-1849478907

First paragraph

New research data from European insurer AXA has found that when electric cars crash, they’re more expensive to fix and can do more damage than a comparable combustion-engined vehicle. But when you think about it, those findings aren’t exactly a shock.

See, EVs are generally loaded up with a ton of new technology. Batteries are expensive, and electrified vehicles often feature more advanced cabin tech that, if damaged, can lead to a hefty repair bill.

https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2022/09/...urance-company

The company attributed the higher damage from crashes to what it called "the overtapping effect" that causes electric cars to accelerate far faster than their conventional counterparts using the same amount of force on the acceleration pedal.

- I guess you are against cars that accelerate quickly because they are so dangerous?

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/29/elec...heres-why.html

Research by another firm, AutoinsuranceEZ, says battery electric vehicles have just a .03% chance of igniting, compared to internal combustion engine vehicle’s 1.5% chance. Hybrid electrics, which have both a high voltage battery and an internal combustion engine, have a 3.4% likelihood of vehicle fires according to their study.

if we believe your article the ICE is 50 times more likely to catch fire (.03% to 1.5%). Hard to believe but you posted it. How does this help your cause?

https://www.nbcnews.com/business/aut...fires-n1271084

Fires are difficult/dangerous to fight, nothing in here says anything about which vehicle is more dangerous.

[Car-Addicted]

David70 Some of your links are broken? Yes I really do read articles that don't promote my personal viewpoints.

[Murf the Surf]

Originally Posted by David70

Did you read the articles or just the headlines?
First line



First paragraph

https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2022/09/...urance-company

- I guess you are against cars that accelerate quickly because they are so dangerous?

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/29/elec...heres-why.html


if we believe your article the ICE is 50 times more likely to catch fire (.03% to 1.5%). Hard to believe but you posted it. How does this help your cause?

https://www.nbcnews.com/business/aut...fires-n1271084

Fires are difficult/dangerous to fight, nothing in here says anything about which vehicle is more dangerous.

The point is that there are real issues with EV's when they catch fire and that they are heavier with quicker acceleration than ICE vehicles. To just dismiss those issues is short sited.